[dev1289] Job Adjustments

[Fynlar]

No it's not. You people want to just stand on the sidelines with your pet doing all the work. Wake up, SE doesn't want you to play that way. SE wants you to stand right next to your pet and fight along side it.

And even when they do that, sometimes their commands still don't go through because the range is STILL too short.

However SE "wants" us to be playing it doesn't really matter, because right now it's just plain broken.

[Zeargi]

No it's not. You people want to just stand on the sidelines with your pet doing all the work. Wake up, SE doesn't want you to play that way. SE wants you to stand right next to your pet and fight along side it. You only consider it broken because you don't want to play it the way SE intends for you to play it. Get over it.

A BLM could not play the job the way SE intends for it to be played and melee without casting a single nuke. Is his DPS going to take a hit... you betcha. Play BST the way SE intends for you to play it and stop whining.

While I do tend to fight next to my pet, I recently went into Dynamis and almost died, because my pet went wondering off to hit some Range fighter and moved way outside of 'Ready's range. Mind you my internet connection right now isn't all that great, but there is most definitely a problem.

As many have said, they need to adjust the gear for BST to help both player and pet, and the range for the abilities needs to be adjusted. It's really bad when I'm in close proximity and I still can't issue a command.

[bazookatooth]

No it's not. You people want to just stand on the sidelines with your pet doing all the work. Wake up, SE doesn't want you to play that way. SE wants you to stand right next to your pet and fight along side it. You only consider it broken because you don't want to play it the way SE intends for you to play it. Get over it.

A BLM could not play the job the way SE intends for it to be played and melee without casting a single nuke. Is his DPS going to take a hit... you betcha. Play BST the way SE intends for you to play it and stop whining.

Imagine how blms would feel if that were to suddenly happen. I think BLMs would be rather pissed if SE suddenly decided that magic bursts have gotten too powerful, so they are now required to stand up on the frontline and fight in order to cast spells. And rightfully so. Just because SE says it is their new intention, doesn't mean it isn't dumb and it doesn't mean we shouldn't tell them. We've never had to play bst that way before and we don't like it. Luckily there's a forum where we can express this discontent to the developer so that they can take a more appropriate course of action. If you don't like it, you are free to go read something else. This obviously doesn't pertain to you. But I for one will not "Stop Whining". I don't bow down to trolls.

[Jopa-Sopa]

It's ridiculous for them to force their "original vision" for a job that's been around since launch, right in the penultimate content update.

On the other hand, these "how would you like it if WHM/BLM/RDM/BRD/SMN/SCH/GEO was forced to melee" arguments are pretty flawed. None of those jobs have a combat skill higher than B+ (if that), and with the exception of RDM/BRD, their melee gear is pretty much limited to All Jobs accessories.

The only job it should be compared to is PUP, since that's basically the reverse situation: job that was intended to be played like SMN, yet was interpreted by the players to be more like DRG. Now it has the option to do both, and I think BST should, too. Just add some sort of penalty to back line BST (nothing too severe) and incentive to play melee BST.

[Arthos]

On the other hand, these "how would you like it if WHM/BLM/RDM/BRD/SMN/SCH/GEO was forced to melee" arguments are pretty flawed. None of those jobs have a combat skill higher than B+ (if that), and with the exception of RDM/BRD, their melee gear is pretty much limited to All Jobs accessories.

This argument comes up so much, because it's true. No melee abilities, job traits and gearing is more complex than a standard melee, because you need stats for master and for pet, which is limited.
Bst is not a melee and to be honest, i dont think this game needs another melee. There are excellent frontline jobs already who hardly ever see the sun of Vana'diel.

[bazookatooth]

It's ridiculous for them to force their "original vision" for a job that's been around since launch, right in the penultimate content update.

On the other hand, these "how would you like it if WHM/BLM/RDM/BRD/SMN/SCH/GEO was forced to melee" arguments are pretty flawed. None of those jobs have a combat skill higher than B+ (if that), and with the exception of RDM/BRD, their melee gear is pretty much limited to All Jobs accessories.

The only job it should be compared to is PUP, since that's basically the reverse situation: job that was intended to be played like SMN, yet was interpreted by the players to be more like DRG. Now it has the option to do both, and I think BST should, too. Just add some sort of penalty to back line BST (nothing too severe) and incentive to play melee BST.

That's missing the point. Even if they all had A+ skill, It doesn't change the fact that that's not how the jobs were played throughout the history of the game and there's no good reason to change them now.

[Elexia]

Imagine how blms would feel if that were to suddenly happen..

That would be quite silly for it to happen to a job that is 99.9% of the time as far away from the monster as possible.

Imagine if it were to happen to WHM! May as well throw another unrealistic situation.

[bazookatooth]

That would be quite silly for it to happen to a job that is 99.9% of the time as far away from the monster as possible.

Imagine if it were to happen to WHM! May as well throw another unrealistic situation.

Ermm... now you're getting it. They took a job that always played from a distance and made it fight on the front line. I'm glad that you can see how ridiculous it is.

[Gwydion]

My biggest problem with using the terminology "front-line job" and calling BST a "front-line job" is that ....other "front-line jobs" won't be happy to receive the same buffs as Beastmasters.

We need Beastmaster Roll / Drachen Roll / Pup Roll ...I don't think other front-line DD like WAR/SAM/DRK/etc. would be comfortable giving their buffs up so that my pet can be buffed. Let's also not forget that the WHM we're expected to bring can't heal our pets.

The whole thing just doesn't make any sense and it's very clear that the folks who opted for this fix haven't played Beastmaster from 1-75, solo or in high-level content.

Beastmaster should either be given the full benefits of a front-line job (and then some, like an Ochain-like shield with sic/ready-10) ...or reverted to what it was a month ago.

The situation is just so incredibly disappointing and it is making it very hard for me to login.

[Fynlar]

That would be quite silly for it to happen to a job that is 99.9% of the time as far away from the monster as possible.

I see you're not very good at catching on to what's been happening already right in front of us