To the posters of this fourm, understand constructive criticism

[Fiarlia]

I kinda feel sorry for the people who had to read this forum Daily Some of the topics make me wanna break my hand on a wall, if only to distract me from the pain i feel in my brain.

I think that Dev really wanted to say something else, But he can't technically be mean to a player... Oh boy its a job i don't think I Could do. I try to remain calm in debates/Conversations, But sometimes, especially when it comes to a certain, I literally cannot respond, Cause nothing i would say would not get me horribly ban-hammered.

God, could you imagine the stuff we (and others) would be able to say to Krystal if he posted on BG? And the banhammer comments that would come from Isladar?

/dreamysigh

[Rambus]

>.> If you look at the overall population of trolls we have on the site, most of them are actually constructive posters who know what they're talking about and provide good information if it is asked for in a civil, polite manner. If people would learn to accept that their predefined, unproven notions are wrong (like I had the hardest time accepting that more DW on my NIN was better at first 'til I was proven wrong, thinking that I'd get less overall TP gain due to lowered per hit...) and simply listen to the logic pointed out for them, the majority of "trolls" would probably come off as pretty calm folks.

The problem is, as someone already posted, that a large majority of people start telling folks off for saying they're wrong or over a little bit of hurt pride. They have no sense of civility (again citing Krystal as a prime example) and often enough make ignorant or contradictory statements that make the majority of us wish we could reach through the internet to strangle them sometimes. Many of us are trying to prevent the spread of misinformation, because that will reflect on players who we may end up with in a party or shout group, who them use said misconceptions to decrease the overall quality of said group and potentially cause it to fail.

tl;dr Be nice, accept you can be wrong, and we'll be nice too. >.>

I just wanted to quote you and say you are right, it is nice to see people to show math and proofs. I do not want to sit here and say to people "no you cannot prove someone wrong" I am always trying to improve my self as a person and understanding of everything. I do not want to spam quote every post I read so I am just going to comment on them briefly.

Like I said before I do not believe in "xxx makes them self a target" point out where you disagree with them, explain your views and leave it at that.

Megatron brought up the personal attack of grammar and I will hate to see that here, it leads no where. a simple "I do not understand xxxx can you explain xxx better" vs then "you suck you are stupid so on is something I am requesting from this thread. It violates the ToS and goes nowhere. Hey megatron if you come back maybe ill help you what I do, I run my posts though word before posting.

I do not like showing my personal experiences because I do not want to come off like I am complaining vs pointing out an issue but:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-Empyrean-Gear

I might have been too harsh with my words, but I was trying to ask a legitimate question if they understood all the aspects in gearing for a ws, not just worrying about a secondary modifier. I am going to be honest here, I do not know what goes in capping your Fstr or attack or w/e ( I know mage formulas a lot better than melee). I was only trying to point out there are people that just gear in secondary modifiers and don’t care about other stats. I even asked to be shown math and what not in what it takes to cap all these things. I disagree with how “easy” it is to cap attack or str requirements for a WS even in abyssea when you have brew doing so much more for you. Not only was I not shown math to back all this “easy caps” but comments that followed released personal attacks” Some people even twisted my words in what I was talking about. I get enough word twisting and personal attack from alla and KI and BG I do not want to see it here, not to me, not to anyone. It is even stated in the ToS of this site not to troll and that you are only supposed to add insight to a topic.

How is “why are you agreeing to someone that said blade jin is wind damage” insight to the topic? How is claiming I fish bot for my relic add to the topic?

[Rambus]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-DEV-TEAM-wave

this thread also got disgusting. why is it so hard to talk about the topic at hand and stay away from personal attacks?

may I remind everyone here the purpose of this forum. It is ment to post ideas to SE and have people reflect on the ideas. SE does not care about your personal issues with a person or a person's sig.

Why is it so hard for people to only talk about a topic and stay away from attacks?

Why? Why? Why? I do not understand.

[annewandering]

I have my suspicions as to who Krystal is and I am guessing others might as well. If so it is not surprising that they are getting such a strong reaction from the other posters. Some people LIKE to stir up people and push as many buttons as possible. They are not going to stop and responding in any extended degree will do nothing but give them satisfaction.
I say that if they post something stupid just post one post that they are wrong again. Then just dont go there again.

[Dubberrucky]

This is why there should be a dislike button while it's negative it a much better way to disagree with someone

This. Most of the posts in the forums are opinions. The "I disagree" button would cut down a lot of useless counterproductive flaming especially in cases that involve a preference rather than an evaluation of a game mechanic.

Most of the people I play with refuse to post in the forums for the same reason this thread even exists, but do not refrain from clicking the like button on a post. It would be nice to see both options available.

[Andylynn]

I do not want SE to ingore these boards because people treat this place like alla, BG or whatever. I cannot stress enough we are loosing our way in constructive criticism. You can disagree with someone’s point, but DO NOT, DO NOT play this:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...al-attack.html

while trying to pad your creditably. It does not help anything but makes us look bad to SE/REPs.

I am very disgusted in how people acted in this thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...arn-about-FFXI.

I do not care if you think krystal compains to much or makes posts/topics you disagree with. Say your objection, explain why you disagree with it and move on. People/SE reading these things do not need to hear your personal quall with the person.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ut-FFXI./page7

Look at the words I used. I think I made it really clear I was disgusted with how people where posting ,(without actually saying it), and made my comments and objections to her like " SE is posting and trying to fix up FFXIV more because it is in such ruin".

I stated my views without attaching her, why can't you?

+1 like button. Too many people forget 'being honest,' 'stating their opinion,' and 'correcting someone's mistake(s)' does not equate to carte blanche for being an ass.

[Korpg]

If you know that the thread is obviously troll, then why respond? You are doing what the thread was intended to do.

Of course, sometimes it looks like a completely honest question, and you don't know you just got baited into responding to a troll thread. Happens to me all the time though.

Thats probably why I don't respond to certain people's threads anymore, because it won't go anywhere nice.

[Starcade]

There is no such thing as "constructive criticism" with this forum.

[Rambus]

+1 like button. Too many people forget 'being honest,' 'stating their opinion,' and 'correcting someone's mistake(s)' does not equate to carte blanche for being an ass.

there is a difference of correcting someone and personall attack to the point a thread goes off topic, like the brake thread is my latest exmaple.

[noodles355]

why is it so hard to talk about the topic at hand and stay away from personal attacks?

Because some people interpret all advice as a personal attack against them.