Nerf Beastmaster

[Cyleena]

First two quotes from "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread.

Impossible. No job can out damage BST in sinister reign....

Because no other job gets invited to SR!!!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...cked-Death-yet

I think it's more that the person who said there are only shouts for BST on asura was exaggerating quite a bit.

You say this but then you say on "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread that no other jobs besides bst are taken to SR, which is exactly what I been saying in this thread about the shouts on Asura, and you and I both know that SR shouts on Asura are always for bst and rarely for anything else like DD. There is rarely a DD shout for SR, and the majority of shouts for Escha RuAun T2/T3 is for bst as well. I really do not think the majority of the server gives a care about VW shouts (especially seeing how long they have to shout to even get people to go), delve, etc. I have seen people shout for hours for that stuff because not many want to do it anymore. Its the relevant content that people want to do like SR and Escha RuAun T2/T3 that get all the bst love, and get people grumpy about it.

[kylani]

First two quotes from "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread.





http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...cked-Death-yet



You say this but then you say on "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread that no other jobs besides bst are taken to SR, which is exactly what I been saying in this thread about the shouts on Asura, and you and I both know that SR shouts on Asura are always for bst and rarely for anything else like DD. There is rarely a DD shout for SR, and the majority of shouts for Escha RuAun T2/T3 is for bst as well. I really do not think the majority of the server gives a care about VW shouts (especially seeing how long they have to shout to even get people to go), delve, etc. I have seen people shout for hours for that stuff because not many want to do it anymore. Its the relevant content that people want to do like SR and Escha RuAun T2/T3 that get all the bst love, and get people grumpy about it.

The comments seemed sarcastic to me, especially given the person saying this indicated they don't use beastmaster in their runs. It seems GEO gets invited more than any other job, but you only look for/count BST shouts.

[Cyleena]

The comments seemed sarcastic to me, especially given the person saying this indicated they don't use beastmaster in their runs. It seems GEO gets invited more than any other job, but you only look for/count BST shouts.

Of course geo gets invited to almost all shouts cause it is a buffer job that is used for any setup including bst. Bst setup needs geo and cor buffs so they will always ask for geo, cor, tank, and a healer. Those are given in almost any setup except cor which is normally replaced for brd depending on the fight. Everyone in here knows that without the buffs bst does not perform as well, so it is kinda funny bst players are complaining about geo, cor, tanks, and healers being needed when they need them just as much as anyone else in the harder fights.

Idris geo is the most powerful job in the game right now, and even without the idris it is pretty powerful. I have seen many people say geo should be nerfed but then it is the ones that utilize the powerfulness of geo to help their groups succeed.

[bazookatooth]

Of course geo gets invited to almost all shouts cause it is a buffer job that is used for any setup including bst. Bst setup needs geo and cor buffs so they will always ask for geo, cor, tank, and a healer. Those are given in almost any setup except cor which is normally replaced for brd depending on the fight. Everyone in here knows that without the buffs bst does not perform as well, so it is kinda funny bst players are complaining about geo, cor, tanks, and healers being needed when they need them just as much as anyone else in the harder fights.

Not complaining. Just pointing out how stupid it is to complain about one job being wanted when other jobs are obviously more desired.

[kylani]

Of course geo gets invited to almost all shouts cause it is a buffer job that is used for any setup including bst. Bst setup needs geo and cor buffs so they will always ask for geo, cor, tank, and a healer. Those are given in almost any setup except cor which is normally replaced for brd depending on the fight. Everyone in here knows that without the buffs bst does not perform as well, so it is kinda funny bst players are complaining about geo, cor, tanks, and healers being needed when they need them just as much as anyone else in the harder fights.

Idris geo is the most powerful job in the game right now, and even without the idris it is pretty powerful. I have seen many people say geo should be nerfed but then it is the ones that utilize the powerfulness of geo to help their groups succeed.

If you're referring to me, I did not ask for Geo to be nerfed at all. I was referring to your posts listing all the shouts with GEO.

I could care less about any job getting shouts, and I don't want GEO or any job getting nerfed. I feel it's terribly sad for people to ask for nerfs to other jobs because they are too lame to think for themselves and make their own parties.

[bazookatooth]

First two quotes from "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread....

You say this but then you say on "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread that no other jobs besides bst are taken to SR, which is exactly what I been saying in this thread about the shouts on Asura, and you and I both know that SR shouts on Asura are always for bst and rarely for anything else like DD. There is rarely a DD shout for SR, and the majority of shouts for Escha RuAun T2/T3 is for bst as well. I really do not think the majority of the server gives a care about VW shouts (especially seeing how long they have to shout to even get people to go), delve, etc. I have seen people shout for hours for that stuff because not many want to do it anymore. Its the relevant content that people want to do like SR and Escha RuAun T2/T3 that get all the bst love, and get people grumpy about it.

It was sarcasm. Even I missed it at first. Guess where all those pops for those escha T3's that you (supposedly)keep missing out on because you aren't BST come from... Delve. Guess where all the tier 2 pops come from... Unity.

People should be happy about missing out on those Escha shouts for BST anyways. It's far messier and takes more people than just nuking it down. Why try to out lot 12 people when you can do it with 6? And besides that, every one of these escha shouts for "bst only" has to have a GEO and / or a Cor, a PLD and a WHM already as well as some other jobs depending on the NM. If they aren't having trouble finding those jobs (Obviously they aren't if they're "only shouting for BST"), then neither should you. Form your own group. You can do almost all of these with six or seven people using jobs that almost everybody has geared at this point.

And here's the kicker. You are going to have to do it anyways, because those bst strategies are all going away. They didn't change anything to make it easier for you, which means you are going to have to go do what you should have been doing from the get go instead of complaining about BST... Go form your own group and get better.

[Cyleena]

It was sarcasm. Even I missed it at first. Guess where all those pops for those escha T3's that you (supposedly)keep missing out on because you aren't BST come from... Delve. Guess where all the tier 2 pops come from... Unity.

People should be happy about missing out on those Escha shouts for BST anyways. It's far messier and takes more people than just nuking it down. Why try to out lot 12 people when you can do it with 6? And besides that, every one of these escha shouts for "bst only" has to have a GEO and / or a Cor, a PLD and a WHM already as well as some other jobs depending on the NM. If they aren't having trouble finding those jobs (Obviously they aren't if they're "only shouting for BST"), then neither should you. Form your own group. You can do almost all of these with six or seven people using jobs that almost everybody has geared at this point.

And here's the kicker. You are going to have to do it anyways, because those bst strategies are all going away. They didn't change anything to make it easier for you, which means you are going to have to go do what you should have been doing from the get go instead of complaining about BST... Go form your own group and get better.

Delve does have the pi for T3, etc but honestly I have not seen that much of a increase in delve shouts for it. Delve is super easy to low man, and so is unity.

You can do all T1 in Escha RuAun at least with duoing with mules. I know people who done it. T2 can be done with under 6, as well as T3. There is a youtube video of T3 being done with 5 and a tank trust. I know all of that is not hard, and I totally agree people should set up their own groups if they want to do something.

Anyway this whole thing started when I was talking about people complaining about the shouts to me, which happens a lot but I have told them to go make their own groups if they do not like it.

I honestly think this nerf incoming is not going to affect the bst that are career bst. Yes, it will scare away the bandwagon ones to some degree but a lot of bst have already been in range to dd on mobs etc anyway (those that actually main the job, etc), so I do not really see it as going to be a big deal. It does not seem like they are doing anything to dmg it does or anything like that to really change it all that much except the range. We will see.

[bazookatooth]

Delve does have the pi for T3, etc but honestly I have not seen that much of a increase in delve shouts for it. Delve is super easy to low man, and so is unity.

You can do all T1 in Escha RuAun at least with duoing with mules. I know people who done it. T2 can be done with under 6, as well as T3. There is a youtube video of T3 being done with 5 and a tank trust. I know all of that is not hard, and I totally agree people should set up their own groups if they want to do something.

Anyway this whole thing started when I was talking about people complaining about the shouts to me, which happens a lot but I have told them to go make their own groups if they do not like it.

I honestly think this nerf incoming is not going to affect the bst that are career bst. Yes, it will scare away the bandwagon ones to some degree but a lot of bst have already been in range to dd on mobs etc anyway (those that actually main the job, etc), so I do not really see it as going to be a big deal. It does not seem like they are doing anything to dmg it does or anything like that to really change it all that much except the range. We will see.

Here's the thing. Any melee job subbing nin can put out just as much damage as a bst pet and survive for a little while if the NM turns their way. having high HP to absorb those BIG moves is the only advantage to pets. When you put the master in range, they are even more susceptible to getting killed than most jobs in that range due to their having no native defensive abilities and having to use level 75 gear for their pets. At that point, they not only do less damage, but are easier to kill. That's not to say that you can't have the master up near the monster, it's just that there is almost always going to be another job that could do a lot better.

[Hoshi]

First two quotes from "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread.





http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...cked-Death-yet



You say this but then you say on "Anyone unlocked Death yet" thread that no other jobs besides bst are taken to SR, which is exactly what I been saying in this thread about the shouts on Asura, and you and I both know that SR shouts on Asura are always for bst and rarely for anything else like DD. There is rarely a DD shout for SR, and the majority of shouts for Escha RuAun T2/T3 is for bst as well. I really do not think the majority of the server gives a care about VW shouts (especially seeing how long they have to shout to even get people to go), delve, etc. I have seen people shout for hours for that stuff because not many want to do it anymore. Its the relevant content that people want to do like SR and Escha RuAun T2/T3 that get all the bst love, and get people grumpy about it.

Your sarcasm detector appears to be broken.

[Cyleena]

It was sarcasm. Even I missed it at first.

Your sarcasm detector appears to be broken.

It appears I was not the only one to not pick that up right away. Maybe you should get better at it. :P