Nerf Beastmaster

[dasva]

And you all wonder why square doesn't care the slightest what goes on in the NA forums.

Yeah I probably wouldn't want to sift thru all the trolling, insults and job hate to see people actually talking about the problems either

[Ulth]

SE please fix Beastmaster. The JA range is random, inconsistent, annoying and insulting to your loyal paying BST community. This is not a damage or danger issue because people cant beat nm's and blame xyz job because of their gimpness, its a broken job ability-issue and it needs addressed instead of constantly ignored.

It's not random. Have you never tried to pull something with a ranged attack right after you finish moving? It will say you moved and interrupted your aim. Why does it do this? because while it looks like you stopped on your local machine, on the server you are still moving to the place you are at. The same thing is causing your "random" out of range messages for commands. Are they doing something about this? Yeah they are dropping console support. PS2s are old and can't send or receive as fast as a modern computer can. Hopefully this means less latency lag and faster loading zones and inventory.

[Jile]

It's not random. Have you never tried to pull something with a ranged attack right after you finish moving? It will say you moved and interrupted your aim. Why does it do this? because while it looks like you stopped on your local machine, on the server you are still moving to the place you are at. The same thing is causing your "random" out of range messages for commands. Are they doing something about this? Yeah they are dropping console support. PS2s are old and can't send or receive as fast as a modern computer can. Hopefully this means less latency lag and faster loading zones and inventory.

Just because they're dropping PS2 support, which only means they can scale-down their dev team doing basic updates on xi, does not mean they're going to make any other adjustments on how their servers function. As for lag time, all users on all servers combined is what a single server used to have on it - it doesn't get much lower demand resource wise than it is.. lol, granted losing ps2/xbox users will lower server utilization even more but it's not going to be something we're going to notice on the user end.

The job abilities function at very random locations during a fight - while standing beside your pet, there are times JA's will work and other's they will not, this is a glitchy and poorly redesigned problem that SE has refused to address.

When we have to stand on our pet's head and still not be sure if our JA's are going to fire - it's time to admit they screwed up and make changes.

Part of this variable is the movement of the mob we're fighting, some is our pet shifting location during a fight and then there is the elephant in the closet, the diameter of the mob we're fighting also shortens our leash making the range JA's function a constant moving variable, not consistent by any means, it's highly variable.

Others have said similar before and I'm still hoping they will give BST a JA similar to avatar's favor, letting me have 20-yalms from my pet as the window, lowering my pet's DMG output as the cost of that favor.... so I can hit a mob and have my JA's work again.

Ask any BST main, this problem is so bad, so horrible that many BST main's have changed to PUP or retired. Are we high on the DMG end of things? Sure, as long as you don't look at SCH or BLM's destroying our DMG, sure... lol.. but I digress, this JA problem needs addressed ASAP.

SE community Dev, (since Grekumah retired I guess I'm only asking Camate), please tell me something is coming?

[dasva]

It's not random. Have you never tried to pull something with a ranged attack right after you finish moving? It will say you moved and interrupted your aim. Why does it do this? because while it looks like you stopped on your local machine, on the server you are still moving to the place you are at. The same thing is causing your "random" out of range messages for commands. Are they doing something about this? Yeah they are dropping console support. PS2s are old and can't send or receive as fast as a modern computer can. Hopefully this means less latency lag and faster loading zones and inventory.

Yeah the problem is you are using variable size pets which give variable sized ranges and that also move around on their own sometimes. Combine with the distance being way too short and stuff does mess up quite a bit and not always predictably. Seriously I can stand between my pet and the mob it's attacking and it not go off. Other times it might

[Ulth]

Yeah the problem is you are using variable size pets which give variable sized ranges and that also move around on their own sometimes. Combine with the distance being way too short and stuff does mess up quite a bit and not always predictably. Seriously I can stand between my pet and the mob it's attacking and it not go off. Other times it might

Are you standing within 7 yalms of your pet because that's all that matters. Seriously I've seen plenty of people using bst since the update and they have no problem getting their readys to work. Did the new goblin unity NM and used a bst with the rabbit to kill all the mines. They didn't have this problem. If they did we would have gotten blown up, but we didn't.

[dasva]

Are you standing within 7 yalms of your pet because that's all that matters. Seriously I've seen plenty of people using bst since the update and they have no problem getting their readys to work. Did the new goblin unity NM and used a bst with the rabbit to kill all the mines. They didn't have this problem. If they did we would have gotten blown up, but we didn't.

My pet was in melee range so of course I was. Some pets it goes down to a little over 5 because stupid thing judges weirdly based on pet sizes. I've also talked to many bst who say they have plenty of problems...

[Lonnan]

Are you standing within 7 yalms of your pet because that's all that matters. Seriously I've seen plenty of people using bst since the update and they have no problem getting their readys to work. Did the new goblin unity NM and used a bst with the rabbit to kill all the mines. They didn't have this problem. If they did we would have gotten blown up, but we didn't.

Sounds like you do not play BST. You might want to try it out some (fighting a wide range of different sized monsters) before making a statement like that. Distance is not all that matters. The size of the monste, the size of the pet, and the masters positioning also factor in the equation in ways which are both enigmatic and inconsistent. With large monsters, that 7 yalm range is much closer to 4 or 5. The seven yalm range also fails quite often if you have the monster in between you and your pet (ie., monster facing pet and master attacking from behind) even though master and pet are 7 yalms apart.

And please stop with "we used a bst for x" posts and using them to suggest that the job doesn't have serious problems. BST pets are still capable of strong attacks (when the ready moves actually go off) and several players are so dedicated to the job that they still play it and learn to adapt to the extremely buggy and inaccurate issues with ja range. Just because BST can do things like DD T3 NMs or AoE kill mines on a UNM, does not mean that issues with ja range do not exist. Stop being obtuse, play the job yourself and see or shut up and listen to the people who do.

[Mithlas]

Sounds like you do not play BST. You might want to try it out some (fighting a wide range of different sized monsters) before making a statement like that. Distance is not all that matters. The size of the monste, the size of the pet, and the masters positioning also factor in the equation in ways which are both enigmatic and inconsistent. With large monsters, that 7 yalm range is much closer to 4 or 5. The seven yalm range also fails quite often if you have the monster in between you and your pet (ie., monster facing pet and master attacking from behind) even though master and pet are 7 yalms apart.

And please stop with "we used a bst for x" posts and using them to suggest that the job doesn't have serious problems. BST pets are still capable of strong attacks (when the ready moves actually go off) and several players are so dedicated to the job that they still play it and learn to adapt to the extremely buggy and inaccurate issues with ja range. Just because BST can do things like DD T3 NMs or AoE kill mines on a UNM, does not mean that issues with ja range do not exist. Stop being obtuse, play the job yourself and see or shut up and listen to the people who do.

This guy speaks truth.
Although I love BST and will continue to work with it, it does get aggravating when I run in to be "out of range" when I'm almost right next to the large monster.

[Ulth]

Sounds like you do not play BST. You might want to try it out some (fighting a wide range of different sized monsters) before making a statement like that. Distance is not all that matters. The size of the monste, the size of the pet, and the masters positioning also factor in the equation in ways which are both enigmatic and inconsistent. With large monsters, that 7 yalm range is much closer to 4 or 5. The seven yalm range also fails quite often if you have the monster in between you and your pet (ie., monster facing pet and master attacking from behind) even though master and pet are 7 yalms apart.

And please stop with "we used a bst for x" posts and using them to suggest that the job doesn't have serious problems. BST pets are still capable of strong attacks (when the ready moves actually go off) and several players are so dedicated to the job that they still play it and learn to adapt to the extremely buggy and inaccurate issues with ja range. Just because BST can do things like DD T3 NMs or AoE kill mines on a UNM, does not mean that issues with ja range do not exist. Stop being obtuse, play the job yourself and see or shut up and listen to the people who do.

Seems to me the general consensus of bsts outside the OF is that the range nerf is at most a inconvenience and are glad they got off with such a minor nerf. Some actually see it as an improvement as it killed off the bandwagon by adding some difficulty to the job. Frankly I think it's insane how you can't seem to figure out how to stand close to your pet. It's like those people in informercials flailing around while they fail at simple tasks. If your upset about having to stand close to your pet just say that. Don't lie about it being impossible to get ready moves to work consistently.

[dasva]

Seems to me the general consensus of bsts outside the OF is that the range nerf is at most a inconvenience and are glad they got off with such a minor nerf. Some actually see it as an improvement as it killed off the bandwagon by adding some difficulty to the job. Frankly I think it's insane how you can't seem to figure out how to stand close to your pet. It's like those people in informercials flailing around while they fail at simple tasks. If your upset about having to stand close to your pet just say that. Don't lie about it being impossible to get ready moves to work consistently.

Seems to me you are completely just making things up. Most bsts I talk to are the opposite. I'm in a pet ls that just wont take the job anymore unless they have nothing else or we know it they can safely avoid AoEs. No matter who is on whatever job guess which job is most often eating dirt? Yep that's right bst everytime. Most have switched to pup or smn or a good pet support job.

And then making stuff up about it not being inconsistent when it clearly is. Can't count the times it just doesn't go off. I probably die because a ready move refuses to go off after I pull a bunch of mobs while I'm right there meleeing the one I'm trying to use moves on about once every 2-3 cp sessions and I only do them for around 15-30 minute sessions and then about every other session I die because I get animation locked by mobs attack me and my pet goes that ever so tiny distance away from me that doesn't allow me to use ready and I literally just can't get closer before I die. Seriously when is the last time you played the job? Because you are showing some major misconceptions on how things work

But whatever dude keep on trolling and making stuff up and random insults. No one is buying them especially since you demonstrated you don't even know how the distance works in the first place