Nerf Beastmaster

[Cyleena]

If they had said bst was their main you wouldn't have accepted their application cause BST was terrible... so of course no one said BST was their main

I think it all comes down to the individual LS and the setups they like to use. I know of some LS that did have bst in them. If you have a mage heavy LS then bst might not fit in. If you have a lot of DD then bst might be a better fit. Mixing bst and mages in setups do not work too well as a lot of us have found out.

Also, we actually did have bst as one of the jobs listed on the applications for a long time and I do not remember many people actually checking that as having that job geared and leveled to be honest. I know some might have intentionally left it off but to be honest I like people to have a variety of jobs available not just one so that I can rotate what jobs people come on as, so that people are not stuck on the same job all the time.

That being said it does depend on the setups of each individual LS and what kind of strats they like to use to get things accomplished. Even though my LS might not be a pet LS, I have no issues with other LS's that use pets.

[dasva]

It very well could be a server thing. Before bst became powerful it was all mages as well that was wanted on Asura (Vagary etc kinda forced that). Now it is totally all bst for almost anything, which I hear complaints about from others daily about groups only wanting bst. Sogoro and I were even watching shouts last night in town and talking and people were shouting for only bst with cap JP for a Escha RuAun T3 NM (not Morta), which is totally not needed but this guy was saying he wanted guaranteed win etc.

I totally know bst been the red head step child. Before bst got powerful it was not used for anything besides being solo, and a lot of people on game still feel that it should be for that. I have heard many people say that. I have two people in my LS with bst geared for endgame, and I have brought them to events a handful of times but bst is not very well liked in my ls. I get lots of complaints if I bring pet jobs because people do not think we should be wasting buffs for them, etc. My LS is more mage heavy and does not have many pet jobs, (2 bst, and a few smn is all and they not "main" jobs but geared and ready to use). I am kinda stuck in the middle with using pet jobs in event. If I do not bring them then they are unhappy. If I do then everyone else is unhappy. Sigh, sometimes it sucks to be a leader of a LS. I try to make everyone happy but realistically that is not possible.

Also depends on content... I don't think anything but mages was ever popular for vagary here other than having sams for skillchaining. But for other stuff before bsts it was generally either mages or rngs for safer content (though rngs have really lost popularity since the enmity update) and sam, blu and/or thf for melee dmg blu especially when mixed dmg, terror and/or requiescat was good. But yeah of the shouts I could read last night 1 was for lol 18 man vagary which was looking for blm, bst, brd, pld, whm, sch, brd, cor, geo and pld. Then there was like 3 SR shouts all of them asking for whm, geo, blm and sch (that can skillchain). Speaking of server shout differences just how common are shouts for higher up escha because we don't see hardly any over here at least English ones during NA/JP time (I'm rarely on during EU time)

Part of that was it was basically just a bad axe warrior that could dump it's hate (which actually was useful at times in pt play). I did manage to do decent dmg when all out geared for it... but no one would give me buffs. But yeah it was basically a sub par DD which means unused so had so solo and durdle things to death. My current ls is weird. It's a pet ls so almost everyone either has a pet job, support for those pets, pld or whm. That said most of us have mages as well and since jug are often suboptimal especially for the ones not really well geared we almost as often use mage/smn strategies. Though since not all do it leads to some interesting things like AoEing stuff with mages and pets... which sorta works. It also probably doesn't help that our best geared bsts are also our best geared plds lol. Or that we have so few cors/geos

[Cyleena]

If they had said bst was their main you wouldn't have accepted their application cause BST was terrible... so of course no one said BST was their main. Anyway, I don't see why it matters to people that other folks play BST. I've heard people %^&*talk BST before and gotten upset - because it's so unnecessarily mean. Why put down other players just because they like a job you don't.

Gosh I remember when people used BST more to farm dynamis. People whined and moaned and yelled at BSTs all day because of that. And we were nerfed, even though we weren't good for much but soloing but people couldn't even deal with that!

PS: watching Asura shouts now. So far we have shouts for:

1 BST
1 MNK
1 NIN
1 WAR
1 THF
1 BRD
2 PLD
2 COR
2 GEO
2 WHM

I am not seeing how having one shout asking for a BST is SOOOOO horrible for other players.

You kinda forgot to mention that there has been two VW shouts, a Marjami delve, and only one Escha shout atm. People need proc jobs for VW still so I can see they not going to bring lots of bst, Marjami people still prefer rng method, and since there is no SR or other Escha shouts out there atm then sure there is not much going on atm. Wait until there is SR or more Escha shouts then talk about the shouts. lol. Me and Sogoro were sitting on game last night chatting and we saw multiple shouts (All the SR and Escha shouts required bst, and some even wanted capped JP beast only). You can not take one day that has lots of VW shouts as a way to say it is sooo horrible. lol. That is a small sample in the big window of things. lol

[Cyleena]

Also depends on content... I don't think anything but mages was ever popular for vagary here other than having sams for skillchaining. But for other stuff before bsts it was generally either mages or rngs for safer content (though rngs have really lost popularity since the enmity update) and sam, blu and/or thf for melee dmg blu especially when mixed dmg, terror and/or requiescat was good. But yeah of the shouts I could read last night 1 was for lol 18 man vagary which was looking for blm, bst, brd, pld, whm, sch, brd, cor, geo and pld. Then there was like 3 SR shouts all of them asking for whm, geo, blm and sch (that can skillchain). Speaking of server shout differences just how common are shouts for higher up escha because we don't see hardly any over here at least English ones during NA/JP time (I'm rarely on during EU time)

Part of that was it was basically just a bad axe warrior that could dump it's hate (which actually was useful at times in pt play). I did manage to do decent dmg when all out geared for it... but no one would give me buffs. But yeah it was basically a sub par DD which means unused so had so solo and durdle things to death. My current ls is weird. It's a pet ls so almost everyone either has a pet job, support for those pets, pld or whm. That said most of us have mages as well and since jug are often suboptimal especially for the ones not really well geared we almost as often use mage/smn strategies. Though since not all do it leads to some interesting things like AoEing stuff with mages and pets... which sorta works. It also probably doesn't help that our best geared bsts are also our best geared plds lol. Or that we have so few cors/geos

Totally agree about the content affecting things. Vagary was built with mages in mind. With most those mobs DD dmg is not good, and unless you want to pop T4/T5 dd is not really needed. When skirmish first came out it was mostly mages for ele in Yorcia then they changed it up and made it so need a mixture. Rng was used for lots of stuff including DM2, Delve, etc but now they kinda got put on the back burner as well.

The shouts on Asura are hard to predict. Today we seeing lots of VW shouts. (Pil and Kaggen), Marjami Delve, and only one Escha T2 atm. We do have a lot of SR shouts normally along with Escha but some days are slower then others on shouts, and it varies greatly from day to day what the shouts will be. The other day people were shouting for bsts only in skirmish, which I heard a lot of complaints about from others.

We have had in the past 18 man delve pet burn shouts (one or two months ago). Not sure how well it did but he shouted for several days to do this, and I think he did it for Vagary too.

Asura shouts for SR almost always ask for bst here, and rarely do you see a shout for anything other then pld, geo, whm, cor, and bst.

[Cyleena]

Oh and look a Tenzen shout for normal asking for a bst... lol

[bazookatooth]

In other words just ignore the evidence that contradicts what you were saying....

[Ulth]

Vagary was built with mages in mind.

Yeah that really sucks. I wish they would just remove the clear requirement for reforging empy +1 because of this.

[Cyleena]

In other words just ignore the evidence that contradicts what you were saying....

The evidence that you are making up? Sure. I never once said anything bad about bst, or that it should be nerfed, I even said I have brought them to my events yet you keep twisting things to make it sound like I am saying all that because somewhere in your head everyone on here hates bst, and there can be no one posting in this forum that does not play bst that is actually not hating on the job. Ok, I get it.

Btw, why are you hiding on a level 1 mule when the rest of us are commenting from our main. Why hide who you are? Is it because you like to troll, and twist things that people say for your own pleasure of it? The only comment I have made about bst is all the shouts for it on Asura, and the fact that I hear lots off complaints about it off forum, so I answered Dasva question about why people are not posting. We see people get hot headed over this topic on game and in forums and some people do not feel like going around about it because it will accomplish nothing. Some people do not like arguing over this stuff unlike others on here.

[Cyleena]

Yeah that really sucks. I wish they would just remove the clear requirement for reforging empy +1 because of this.

Yeah, it does suck but it is what it is. I guess it is in a way how they are trying to make mage jobs needed again after so long being mainly DD wanted.

[bazookatooth]

The evidence that you are making up? Sure. I never once said anything bad about bst, or that it should be nerfed, I even said I have brought them to my events yet you keep twisting things to make it sound like I am saying all that because somewhere in your head everyone on here hates bst, and there can be no one posting in this forum that does not play bst that is actually not hating on the job. Ok, I get it.

Btw, why are you hiding on a level 1 mule when the rest of us are commenting from our main. Why hide who you are? Is it because you like to troll, and twist things that people say for your own pleasure of it? The only comment I have made about bst is all the shouts for it on Asura, and the fact that I hear lots off complaints about it off forum, so I answered Dasva question about why people are not posting. We see people get hot headed over this topic on game and in forums and some people do not feel like going around about it because it will accomplish nothing. Some people do not like arguing over this stuff unlike others on here.

You say all shouts are for BST. Guy posts list of shouts on your server clearly demonstrating that what you said isn't true. You try to ignore that. How is that twisting words?

And What does my character info have to do with the discussion? Why should I be afraid to say who I am? are you going to harass me elsewhere?