Nerf Beastmaster

[kylani]

I do not play BST myself, so I can't really say what the job is capable of. However, one of the jobs I do play is WHM, and I have done various content both with and without BSTs. From a WHMs perspective, content done with BSTs is done stupidly easily and completed much more quickly then a non-BST party. Playing WHM in sinister reign with a party consisting of three players in melee range (one tank and two DD) is an absolute NIGHTMARE, I could not cure stats fast enough when I even had time between spamming Curaga to keep them alive, which inevitably led to me taking hate and dying. The same content played with BSTs led me to nearly fall asleep, the only thing I could even do to support the party was cast Dia II, there was no need to cure the tank as he took so little damage (since most of the time the pets had hate anyway) that he could easily keep himself cured, and most of the time would use echo drops before my silena would even land. From this perspective BST trivializes almost all content, this is UNBALANCED.

I just don't understand this thinking at all. You think BST and SMN should deal the same damage when SMN has so many additional abilities? That would be like saying RDM, SCH and WHM should do the same damage as BST, while curing, buffing, debuffing. It's ridiculous.

And this trivializes ALL content? Really? I've played BST for around 11 years and this is the first time EVER I've heard of BST being even useful in End Game content, much less preferred.

[dasva]

Also 95k skillchain are you saying that the skillchain itself was that much or the BP plus skillchain? If the former than yeah I'd say that's a pimp smn with good buffs/debuffs on par with what Papasse (spelling?) does and I triply can't understand how anyone with low acc could beat him. If you mean the latter... then that isn't pimp outlier that's what the better smns in my ls (but not capped out in helios) do with my geo mule only doing malaise and only geo gear being dunna. Heck that's what my rng can do with trueflight with same geo mule for the only buffs/debuffs. In fact that repost of mine from a page back was in that situation only reason it didn't skillchain as I was trying to with our smn was because of the bsts spamming ready moves

Anyways so you're saying a okish good bst can win when the smn wasn't even fighting the whole time and you skew the acc numbers? The jugs ready accuracy probably was better than his overall as well. But I mean geez you can say that about job comparison if you try to compare like that. My pld has won parses when people kept dying and had meh acc

As far as sinister goes... if you want to melee get a geo and use Vex/Attunement. If you don't want to do that you could go just as fast with rngs or even faster with mages. You should see half the shouts for it these days. It's things like pld whm sch (that can skillchain) +3x blm/geo. MBing death absolutely destroys them almost in 1 go

[Arthos]

It is unbalanced. Too many nasty moves on melee on the one side, bored range jobs players on the other side.

Why not making battles a bit smoother for melee, game is ending anyway.

Difficulty should'nt be too high for content player need to farm over and over again, like Sinister Reign. It should mainly be fun to do, and also doable on every job.

I would set difficult high on mission fights, for special KI's and similar things. Things u only do once. Wich makes them memorable, like CoP was back in the days.

Too bad SE did just the opposite, for reasons i don't see.

[Zekander]

95k was the skillchain damage.

No, I don't think BST and SMN should do the same amount of damage. I believe that any job that is incredibly well geared and played by a very dedicated player should be able to beat any job that is undergeared and played by a mediocre player.

@Kylani: Please don't post here if you don't currently play the game.

I watch the shouts here on Asura when I'm in town (I rarely sit afk there for hours on end) and as of today they are all shouts for BST.

[Ulth]

Shouts isn't a good indicator of what jobs are powerful or not.

[kylani]

95k was the skillchain damage.

No, I don't think BST and SMN should do the same amount of damage. I believe that any job that is incredibly well geared and played by a very dedicated player should be able to beat any job that is undergeared and played by a mediocre player.

@Kylani: Please don't post here if you don't currently play the game.

I watch the shouts here on Asura when I'm in town (I rarely sit afk there for hours on end) and as of today they are all shouts for BST.

Why do you think I don't currently play the game? I play every day, and I don't only play BST. And you already said you were incorrect about the BSTs gear. I suspect a lot of this is more speculation than fact.

[bazookatooth]

This whole line of discussion is meaningless. It was clearly a work of fiction. I highly doubt you can even win the content with 30% acc let alone out damage a mythic summoner. This is a common case of not keeping a lie simple enough to pass. The fastest way to do sinister reign is with mage jobs. A group of mages can beat it in like 8-10 minutes. It takes almost twice that with a group of bsts. The same can be said of basically every NM in Escha. And sinister reign is one event. One. A GEO using VEX makes this content easy even with a standard DD setup. But I bet that none of you even tried that. You just went "Hey GEO make my numbers pretty..." and expected to win. So let's be honest here. A lot of people have a lot of jobs, mostly DD jobs and they don't know how the game works. That's fine. But you shouldn't be screwing with other people's jobs just because you aren't good at yours.

Seriously. Get off the official forums and go read whats happening on BG and other sites. Mage groups are destroying content and so are standard DD set ups. But you can't just go in and cast the same buffs and debuffs for everything, while you spam the same WS over and over and expect to win every parse.

[Zekander]

And this trivializes ALL content? Really? I've played BST for around 11 years and this is the first time EVER I've heard of BST being even useful in End Game content, much less preferred.

This is what made me assume you do not play the game. This discussion is not all that new, it's been going on for several weeks at this point, and if this post does represent the first time you've even heard about this then I would have to assume you haven't been playing the game for at least a month. Apologies if this is not what you meant to say.

The only GEO in our linkshell does not play often, and is not all that familiar with the job (and does not really like to play it either), so none of us really know the most effective way to use it in every situation.

Yes, sinister reign is only one event. Yes, there are some situations where BST is not the optimal job (Escha Ru'Aun Caturae come to mind).

At least setting up a skillchain and magic burst is a somewhat complex strategy that involves teamwork.

To be clear I did not skew the accuracy numbers, they were what they were, I simply did not understand all the variables that led to those numbers. Personally I don't trust parsers for exactly this reason, they only give hard numbers without any of the details about how those numbers came to be.

You are entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine, the facts however, will always be somewhere in between.

[dasva]

95k was the skillchain damage.

No, I don't think BST and SMN should do the same amount of damage. I believe that any job that is incredibly well geared and played by a very dedicated player should be able to beat any job that is undergeared and played by a mediocre player.

@Kylani: Please don't post here if you don't currently play the game.

I watch the shouts here on Asura when I'm in town (I rarely sit afk there for hours on end) and as of today they are all shouts for BST.

Then I kind of call BS on the smn doing so poorly in that other circumstances with what you had listed. I highly suspect that the actual accuracies were somewhat similar and/or that smner was doing at best 1 bp rage a minute.

Also all I see are shouts for mages so....

At least setting up a skillchain and magic burst is a somewhat complex strategy that involves teamwork.

Um schs can do that all by themselves (so can a few other jobs like blu or smn but not quite as constantly). Heck I recently watched a vid of the Belladonna type escha nm where the setup was a pld to pop, trust august to tank, whm for heals, brd for sleeping adds, geo just for bubbles and the sole source of dmg (unless you count the little August was doing lol) was a sch creating self skillchains and MBing

[bazookatooth]

Um schs can do that all by themselves (so can a few other jobs like blu or smn but not quite as constantly). Heck I recently watched a vid of the Belladonna type escha nm where the setup was a pld to pop, trust august to tank, whm for heals, brd for sleeping adds, geo just for bubbles and the sole source of dmg (unless you count the little August was doing lol) was a sch creating self skillchains and MBing

You can do probably half of escha that way. And the funny thing is he's a red mage. He should know about these strategies. RDM enfeebles / buffs work incredibly well in these scenarios.