Nerf Beastmaster

[dasva]

That isn't all that impressive, you can clear in that time with a standard DD pt or BSTs. There are few mobs in there that will resist dark and increase the clear time by a lot, compared to BST or DD which don't have to worry about that. Also there are now more magic resistant mobs in Escha which BST can just laugh at, you are really trying to grasp at straws in here bringing stuff like that up. The damage was already done, SE already looking into BST just stop wasting your time.

The blinders are strong with this one....

1 job does ok dmg on some things omg too OP nerf nerf nerf. Other jobs do great dmg on other things psh bst is still better on other things nerf nerf nerf.

Magic dmg doesn't do as good on magic resistant things!?! Ya don't say. Did you also know physical dmg doesn't work as well on mobs with high evasion, dt, def etc? It's almost as if SE designs different mobs to be fought differently but usually allowing you still to do it the "hard" way...

[dasva]

I recently came back after quitting in 2006. I am not sure but it seems that many monsters these days are highly resistant to debuffs that would otherwise allow people to stay alive longer. I haven't seen anyone inviting RDMs for Break to petrify monsters.

I don't think jobs are the problem. People will always want to use what is the strongest...no one wants to waste hours of their time with no rewards.

Somewhat true. SE doesn't really like you to be able to take breaks during fights anymore (though some delve bosses could be slept so maybe some new stuff idk if anyone has really tried). I think they believe wipes should be the end.

It seems that they've focused more on debuffs that help limit what mobs do without flat outstopping them (outside of silly things like stun locking or blu with super terror)... sadly (at least for rdm) most of those are for geo. Even addle II doesn't really compare to other forms of -macc. Though people do love rdm offensively for Frazzle/Distract III which is nice.

[Draylo-]

And in this story, you can't do the book NM with standard DDs because?....

Same goes for the Dverger. Geo Vex and go to town.

EDIT:And FWIW that wasn't an insult. It was me thinking out loud. The way you completely ignored the obvious fact that both of those NMs can be done easily by standard DD setups leads me to believe that you either didn't know because you don't play and / or have never even tried the stuff you're complaining about or.... You knew that they could be done easily with DD set ups and you're just trolling because you're salty about bst. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Way to go, completely missing the point. My point was, you could do them all as BST and laugh at the mechanics where certain jobs, you know like the BLM you were both claiming to be "overpowered" are completely useless against those NMs. Why should they have to job change when a BST doesn't have to?

The blinders are strong with this one....

1 job does ok dmg on some things omg too OP nerf nerf nerf. Other jobs do great dmg on other things psh bst is still better on other things nerf nerf nerf.

Magic dmg doesn't do as good on magic resistant things!?! Ya don't say. Did you also know physical dmg doesn't work as well on mobs with high evasion, dt, def etc? It's almost as if SE designs different mobs to be fought differently but usually allowing you still to do it the "hard" way...

On some things? Dude, name a few NM that BST doesn't do well against lol. They do well on 90% of the content in the game, high evasion isn't an excuse when you can bolster torpor etc. BLM can't do the same when something is magic resistant as their nukes will still do crap. Point is, you brought that SS up in an isolated situation to try and shift the focus to BLM when its pretty obvious they don't do that all the time. You did it previously with the Plouton situation, why don't you guys stop trying to get other jobs nerfed for isolated situations and realize SE already made their decision with BST. I hadn't even been posting in here because its the same three people attacking anyone that posts a contrary opinion while their LS comes in to + their posts in hope BST doesn't get nerfed lol, pathetic.

Gotta agree with this. My linkshell recently did a run of these NMs, and I was the sole BST in the party because I just happened to be on the job at the time and it was faster than having me switch. Do you want to know what our job setup was? 2 RNGs, 2 Idris GEOs, 2 BLMs, a BST, a SMN, a SAM, a THF, a PLD, two WHMs, a COR... and some other miscellaneous jobs. We had zero difficulty with this. Geo-Vex made the nukes from Dvergr trivial (Heck, they were fairly trivial anyway since we had everyone switch to the adds immediately). The book, again, was absolutely trivial because we killed adds in the right order, so only the PLD really took a lot of Exponential Bursts, and even the one or two times we were all drawn in, Geo-Vex weakened the damage considerably. We still had a lot of ranged jobs, yes, as a safety net, but if you notice something, there's all of one BST in there. I was hardly parsing top of the list compared to one of our RNGs (who is very well geared, at that), and the Mythic SMN who was tearing things up and providing valuable support.

Most of these fights are very doable without having to throw BSTs at them. I think when we did a run of the T2 Ru'Aun NMs, we had all of one death. So try again, Draylo; BST doesn't trivialize content that's already fairly trivial. Instead of worrying about one damage dealer whose damage is not as impressive as you make it out to be, look at all the other niche jobs that can't be replaced. PLD can't often be replaced by RUN because RUN doesn't have shields to block; sure, RUN is a great job (I personally enjoy it), but against mixed elements, or heavy physical damage, you're going to find that PLD is far more desirable. WHM is the king of healing and there's no second place; no other jobs get access to all of their AoE healing tools, status removal tools, etc. GEO is the world's best buff/debuffer and all of its spells are highly potent with enough skill, and it's only because RDM can stack with GEO effects that we haven't heard an outcry of "they took our job!!!" But potency-wise, it is hard to compare to a GEO.

Rather than whine and complain, Draylo, why not go the other route and try to figure out buffs for other jobs instead of nerfs for one you just seem to be extra salty towards for some unknown reason. BLU is already in a fantastic spot but if there's something about it you don't like, why not make a suggestion for a buff? And this goes for any other job you may like. Make suggestions to improve and help players, instead of nerfing and tearing down people just because you're bitter. It makes you sound like a sore loser.

You are completely missing the point. Try reading the last page and maybe you will understand? He posted a screenshot to show BLM dmg and say they are overpowered, while ignoring the fact they are completely useless in certain fights, unlike BST. I know how this game works and I'm aware of all the strategies, but thanks for the suggestion ?

[Kensagaku]

You should really think before you post. You mentioned the guy complaining about BLM, which you say doesn't do well in certain situations. BST has the same issues; anything that spams Break or Amnesia completely knocks out a BST, because we can't remove Amnesia (no one can really, but we're talking in terms where BST specifically isn't viable, else we'd have to talk about how RNGs and CORs and such are immune to amnesia) or Break (unlike with players, which can have it removed via Stona.) We also have a set amount of time between resummons so if something has high AoE then it can simply wipe the floor faster than we can spam Reward, and if you want to argue about Dawn Mulsims then I'm going to argue that few other jobs require you to spend gil nearly as frequently for the sake of recovery. BST pets can't be healed by spells, Waltzes, and the majority of items; we're stuck with just Reward, Dawn Mulsims, and resummoning our pets. And in situations where we're being slammed, that resummon will get you down much like a weakened player for anywhere from 1-3 minutes, where while you CAN melee as a BST with decent gear, you're likely in a party that doesn't provide adequate buffs to heal you or a healer to keep you alive.

So yeah, if you want to argue that "BLM can't do this in all situations," I'll point out that BST can't do their damage in all situations either. Terror, Stun, Break, Amnesia, all of those work heavily against our pet and there's nothing we can do about those. Blind is a lesser problem, but we have to waste our Reward timer to remove it. There are plenty of situations in which a BST pet isn't always viable, you're just so set against BST that you can't see sense.

[Draylo-]

Name the NMs that you think BST is completely useless against? Nice "you should really think before you post", had to throw that little insult in there huh? I think all my posts through, thanks. BST doesn't have the same issue, they can kill most things before it even gets to that point or heal through it. High AOE that it can wipe the floor faster than you can spam reward? Name a fight like that where the mob is constantly wsing to that point that you are being "slammed". You can't use the cost of items as a point in favor of BST lol. Who cares if few jobs require that measly amount of gil, the point is you can spam heals endlessly. Name those situations where a BST pet isn't viable. I like how we both post our opinions yet somehow I can't see sense due to my BST hate, yet I've clearly posted my opinions articulately and used examples to support them. I love how internet people jump to the attack stance, so predictable.

[Arthos]

somehow I can't see sense due to my BST hate

So please delete Beastmaster from game SE.

I love how internet people jump to the attack stance, so predictable.

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[Singforu]

BST was made incorrectly IMO. It is illogical and goes against lore. Why?

1. Pets should not be able to do TP moves without actually having TP.
2. Pets should receive the same buffs the party gets, there should not be pet rolls. AoE magic, songs, etc. should be applied to the pet.
3. Pets should not get food benefits from the master eating it unless it is like those stewpots that effect the whole party. BST should have to trade their pet food. Expensive? Possibly, but that's the cost vs benefit of doing so much extra damage.

[bazookatooth]

BST was made incorrectly IMO. It is illogical and goes against lore. Why?

1. Pets should not be able to do TP moves without actually having TP.
2. Pets should receive the same buffs the party gets, there should not be pet rolls. AoE magic, songs, etc. should be applied to the pet.

Agreed. But this would probably make a job like beast master impossible to balance as either the pet would have to be extremely weak (turning it into a dragoon with axes instead of pole arms), or the master would have to be extremely weak making it impossible for them to ever fight without a pet.

3. ....but that's the cost vs benefit of doing so much extra damage.

That's essentially how it functions (the master receives no benefit, just the pet). You just want them to change the animation so that it looks like they are feeding it to the pet?

[Tidis]

BST was made incorrectly IMO. It is illogical and goes against lore. Why?

1. Pets should not be able to do TP moves without actually having TP.

Wasn't that quite a modern change? Basically what brought about all this BST nerf argument, without the ability to TP whenever, 10 second ready timer wouldn't be near as effective as it is right now.

[bazookatooth]

Wasn't that quite a modern change? Basically what brought about all this BST nerf argument, without the ability to TP whenever, 10 second ready timer wouldn't be near as effective as it is right now.

Of course "2." would allow them to TP every 2-3 seconds just like every other DD job, so....