What would make you return to ffxi? (if you left and came back for the free access)

[Alhanelem]

Certainly not because you would have noticed the game has changed within the last few years, or maybe not since you have XIV blinders on.

Oh, so you're name calling now. That's the foundation of a solid argument...

Yes, I've noticed the game has changed. However, most of the low drop rate items are still low drop rate items. No, I don't have blinders on, unlike some people posting in this thread. I haven't demonstrated any blindness to anything here. I've said repeatedly, many times I love XI. I still do. So why are you branding me an XIV worhispper with blinders on?

I have limited funds. I can't afford to subscribe to both. XIV is cheaper because I have a legacy account. That's pretty much the whole of it. It's part of what brought me to this thread in the first place.

[Draylo-]

Putting aside our viewpoints on the drop rates, what point are you even making? None of that gear is necessary to play and do the content at all. You could complete like 75% of the content in this game simply using a standard 119 set gotten in a few hours. Compare that to FFXIV where you can't even step foot into some content w/o a certain ilevel.

[Alhanelem]

Putting aside our viewpoints on the drop rates, what point are you even making? None of that gear is necessary to play and do the content at all. You could complete like 75% of the content in this game simply using a standard 119 set gotten in a few hours. Compare that to FFXIV where you can't even step foot into some content w/o a certain ilevel.

Well, I knid of wonder what point you're trying to make as well... The point I made was that there are pros and cons to both vertical and horizontal progression. Everyone here touts XI's horizontal progression, but it's not without its flaws. Said people also tend to bash XIV saying it's a treadmill and you cant get attached to your gear. But it also has benefits, like easier inventory management and less set-up required before you can actually play. typically in XI when I join a group for whatever content, they'll tell me they want X job. I go to my mog house, and like 10 to 15 minutes later my gear is moved over and I'm ready. And I'm one of the faster people. A lot of people need multiple mules to manage their gear and it can take them like 20 mins or more to get ready for content. In XIV I press one button and I'm ready. And I can press that button anywhere. The cost is that gear tends to be less interesting as there's less diversity of stats. Which is a fair complaint, but it doesn't bother me that much.

The ilvl restrictions on XIV content are easy to meet. You don't need weekly gated content to meet them. You can complete them using a standard tomestone set of gear gotten in a few hours. Hell, you can buy gear off NPCs to enter the "Expert" dungeons.

In preformed groups, many of those requirements can be removed, as well. The limits are there to help ensure a less-than-horrendous experience using the Duty Finder, so that people don't ruin your day by queueing up naked and dancing around like an idiot. In XI, those limits aren't really needed because there is no matching system. Again, there's pros and cons. I'm not wearing blinders. XI does some things better and XIV does other things better. What people like and don't like is subjective.

[Herpaderp]

The only thing that would get me back to play this game would be to start a classic progression server like EQ and EQ2 have.

[Alhanelem]

The only thing that would get me back to play this game would be to start a classic progression server like EQ and EQ2 have.

The one thing that would be least likely to get me back, personally,but I won't fight it as long as I don't have to play on it, even though it has great potential to divide and damage the playerbase.

I accept that games (Not even just MMOs) evolve and change over time, and I also accept that even if you bring old ways back, they're not the same as when you did them the first time, so other than to put on my rose colored glasses, I can't think of a reason to play on such a server.

[Herpaderp]

The one thing that would be least likely to get me back, personally,but I won't fight it as long as I don't have to play on it, even though it has great potential to divide and damage the playerbase.

I accept that games (Not even just MMOs) evolve and change over time, and I also accept that even if you bring old ways back, they're not the same as when you did them the first time, so other than to put on my rose colored glasses, I can't think of a reason to play on such a server.

Pretty sure the people who would play on a classic server have no interest in the current game, especially one that is about to end updates.

[Alhanelem]

Pretty sure the people who would play on a classic server have no interest in the current game, especially one that is about to end updates.

The progression server game wouldn't have updates either. So it would eventually end up just as stale as the current game getting no updates, making your point moot. People might come back for a few months or a year and then quit again because there's no new content updates. Because of that, I don't really see the benefit.

My reasons for not subbing right now are almost entirely money related.

[Herpaderp]

The progression server game wouldn't have updates either. So it would eventually end up just as stale as the current game getting no updates, making your point moot. People might come back for a few months or a year and then quit again because there's no new content updates. Because of that, I don't really see the benefit.

Preferably, they would start the game at 50 cap pre-zilart, raise cap to 75, release zilart, release cop, etc.

[Alhanelem]

Preferably, they would start the game at 50 cap pre-zilart, raise cap to 75, release zilart, release cop, etc.

Unlocking content as you go doesn't make that content suddenly new.

There's nothing wrong with it, it's just not going to be as wonderful as you envision it will be. I just don't see many old players coming back to re-beat everything they already beat before.

[Draylo-]

Makes me shake my head every time. People overglorify the 75 days too much, theres still plenty of grinding if thats what you want. The only thing missing is the community (which admittedly I do miss having a lot of people) and waiting a month in a line for gear like homam and HNM drops...