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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeldar View Post
    "Wow, who knew a single comment I made in jest a year ago would start a flame war?" -the part of Catmato's quote that you intentionally left out. saying something in jest =sarcasm. I see you are the type to twist and omit others words to make your point seem more valid.

    Auspice is a party buff, though they do give a bonus to the caster himself with afflatus misery up. Are you going to use misery over solace in a party? You may use it solo, but that is an abnormal situation for a whm. Solo you may be better off subbing DNC or NIN anyway.

    All mage relics,mythics and empyreans are made better if you melee. That doesn't necessarily mean they meant for us to melee. Nirvana is outclassed by a few other staves if you don't have afterglow up. I asked months ago for SMN to be given non melee means of TP gain, like BLM has. Of course, I was never answered. I don't believe they meant for mages to melee. I believe they didn't put enough thought into how a mages aftermath should work. WHM should gain TP through curing. SMN should gain tp through a blood pact or ability like elemental siphon. The omission of a sensible for a mage to get TP doesn't mean they intended you to use a senseless one.

    Melee WHM in any content level 125+ and see how your party reacts. Ask for their honest opinion. See what you get.
    Fair enough, I actually did miss the "in jest" part, legitimately, that was in no way a purposeful omission, and it does admittedly mean that it would be sarcastic, but then they go on to say after the fact that it's something they would like, these two things can't both be true, so I will leave it to Catmato to clarify, I may have been wrong there.

    Actually, we do often use Misery over Auspice in a party, however it's not for it's benefit to melee, but because of how it effects esuna.
    Yes, all the REM are better if you melee, but Mjollnir, when it came out, did literally nothing for you if you didn't melee, and it was Whms ONLY superweapon at that time, that's more than a little bit different from saying "better if you melee".

    Also you made a mistake with saying 125+ content, I never melee on Whm, ever, but we had a Whm who did for quite a while, he's quit now, but Priestbilly meleed on Reisenjimma T2s or lower, it made us grin and eyeroll, but it ultimately didn't hurt anything, as those are easy anyway, we actively had to tell him not to melee on some of the harder stuff though lol.

    I don't know how many times I can tell you that I agree with you on that part, Whm aren't efficient melees, but that doesn't mean that pretty much every argument for you put forth against them getting DW isn't hilariously inaccurate/silly/off base.
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