And yes, you ARE right about another thing (I already bowed out of the no new banish debate) : I overstated it a bit when I said those single handed weapons NEVER used any sub but DNC or NIN. I do recall the BLU/THF days. I do not recall THF/WAR or BLU/WAR in the old days for end game content, but you may be right. It still doesn't disprove the point that the jobs that it makes sense to have native dual wield now have it. As a funny side note, the person that first suggested native WHM dual wield a year or so ago just posted in this thread, saying it was sarcasm (as I suspected and stated in an earlier post.)