Haste + Accession

[Ulth]

So is it going to work with haste, but not haste II?

[Tidis]

So is it going to work with haste, but not haste II?

I think it would be safe to assume it will work with both.

[Ulth]

It was meant to be a rhetorical question. Singforu was saying that temper shouldn't work with accession because it is a red mage only spell. Since haste II is also a red mage only spell by that logic it also shouldn't. However I'm of the opinion that a job that is using scholar as a sub job should also be able to accession its enhancing spells.

[Tidis]

It was meant to be a rhetorical question. Singforu was saying that temper shouldn't work with accession because it is a red mage only spell. Since haste II is also a red mage only spell by that logic it also shouldn't. However I'm of the opinion that a job that is using scholar as a sub job should also be able to accession its enhancing spells.

That's a fair point, I've been using SCH sub so much I'd completely forgotten Accession is a SCH ability.

[Muras]

Spells like Haste II and Temper won't work with Accession because SCH itself cannot gain access to it. Reraise/Raise and Haste have been the only exceptions to this rule. Before SE gave SCH Regens IV and V, WHM couldn't accession Regen IV either. It's just how Accession/Manifestion works :P

The only reason SE is unlocking Haste is because it doesn't actually change anything in the current game, other than letting a SCH or WHM or RDM give Haste1 to everyone in the PT a little quicker. Unlocking Haste II would break the current rules, and take away SMN's unique Hastega II. If SMN didn't have Hastega II, I doubt SE would be touching Haste + Accession.

With that said though, I personally wouldn't care if they made Haste II work with Accession. I don't think it'd hurt SMN much, and I think most SMNs would actually like it since it would allow them to use something else if a RDM was Hastega II-ing everyone instead.

But then you need to realize this path opens up a whole other can of worms; If we allow Haste II to work with Accession, why not Dread Spikes with Manifestion? Or Endark (All that wonderful ATK+)? Or Accession + Fullcure for a free Benediction whenever you want. It's because of stuff like this that the whole "SCH main has to access it somehow" rule exists, I think. It sucks, but it does make sense.

[Zekander]

Except that Enspells can be used with Accession, so that blows the whole "only SCH main spells" rule out of the water.

Also Phalanx.

Also self-target Bar-spells.

Also Refresh.

[Muras]

The rule is SCH main needs to have access to the spell. This means that if SCH can gain access to the spell through a support job, then it has access to it, and thus can work with Accession/Manifestation.

[Zekander]

Ah, okay. Then it does seem odd that Haste is left out seeing as how Refresh could only be obtained at a higher level then Haste (LV.40 WHM for Haste and LV.41 RDM for Refresh), so when they raised the level cap from 75 to 80 they must have made a deliberate decision to not allow Haste to be Accessionable.

[Muras]

Yeah, that's exactly what they did. I think it was even part of the update notes saying Haste was left out, heh. They never gave a reason why back then, but people generally assumed it was because of Hastega from SMN and they didn't want to take away that "unique" side of SMN. I only made this thread because now that Hastega II is a thing, there's no reason not to allow it anymore.