Please don't nerf beastmaster

[bazookatooth]

BST wasn't designed to be a solo job but keep telling yourself that, it became a solo job due to the old 30% exp penalty when using a pet, that no longer happens. Also thinking that BST is OP does not mean I or anyone, disagreeing with you is upset, it's just your way of deflecting the argument.

And arguing over the terminology used to describe how you feel is your way of deflecting the argument. If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't be complaining about it on a message board. You probably wouldn't have even bothered to read it. You'd be going on with your life. But you're here.

No job should be soloing content like Difficult merit fights except for very extreme circumstances, I'm sure many of you have seen the videos of the SCH who solos difficult/very difficult fights, that would be an extreme circumstance as he is very well geared and skilled enough to handle the various situations of the fight.

So the implication here is that there is no way for a BST to be well geared and skilled? Go try those fights on D without spending millions in gear and R/E items and then get back to me. Hell, even the jugs they use for those solos cost hundreds of thousands on your server. Let me know next time you see a SAM saying he spend a few hundred k on food for 1 fight.

Here's an idea. If it's so easy to beat those fights on D, why don't you post a video? I mean the gear practically falls from the sky and you can get all the augments you need for a couple hundred K according to thins thread. By now, someone should have shown us all how easy it is to do just out of sheer boredom.

Whereas with BST you just need some decent gearsets, some job points and you're set.

I like to know what your idea of pretty decent is. Please show us what you think you can beat a D fight in so we can all have a good chuckle.

It's not about only beating almost anything and you also conveniently skip over the fact they don't have to be in range of debuffs or require a specific healer or TANK because they can do both. They can also do AOE shit down for massive damage (which only BLU can really do.) Why take 3-4 DD + Buffs + HEALER + TANK(can drop this if DD can tank) when you can take 2 BST + Buffs? See the difference ? Too many bonuses and not enough negatives. Also no, you pretty much can't take a DD like a DRK and put them in a VD fight with trusts and have them solo better than a BST or really anything as they will get creamed. BST does get meaningful buffs from trusts as well, distract, dia3, they can also melee too.

And you're conveniently skipping over the part where they can't remove a large portion of those debuffs from the pet, (did you get hit with break? enjoy being useless for 5 minutes) Can only heal it about once every minute, have to use pets that are generally bad at doing damage in order to tank but they get DIstract and DIA... meanwhile DD get Haste II, Double attack and attack rolls, Marches, Mins, Mads. etc. etc. and continuous healing and buff removal on demand.

And yes, I do see the differences in that set up. One party had too many people to begin with.

[dasva]

Ah look he just can't leave this thread.... despite saying he would twice.

[dasva]

Plenty of mobs petrify. If amnesia doesn't last long then neither do any debuffs that effect players since status cures exist. Doom completely stops any bst strategy. Curse is pretty backbreaking as well. As is any heavy dots. Seriously your debuff argument makes no sense at all. If anything it overall effects jugs more unless you run around without support...

Also who the heck is devastated? I'm guessing you since you mad a bst ever beat your blu dding. Me? I'm laughing my ass off that anyone thinks the little bit of dmg bst can do now is all that much. My pet ls frequently doesn't use pets because they aren't all that for dmg unless you doing AoE stuff that is too dangerous for mages. They are just the lazy/easy option. Half the time we use pets is mostly because nobody here likes playing whm not because it's better. But that doesn't stop our best geared bst from trying to come nin all the time and yep doing more dmg. Which is also nice because without tanks things get pretty hairy

[Draylo-]

Name all the mobs post Delve that constantly petrify. Status cures take time to cast, especially if you don't have a Yagrush present. Slow, plague, paralyze etc will all have worse effects on player than a pet. My debuff argument makes plenty sense, have you never gotten debuffed before in content? At this point we are going in circles, people who are all BST 4 eva vs people who feel its OP atm. At this point we need parses or proof of your NIN beating a well geared BST with all buffs equal, because I am not buying that. I wanna see gear and parse, on paper they should not be losing to a NIN at all (FYI I have access to multiple BSTs account well geared.) Final point is, 10s ready time is the issue and needs to be remedied.

[Olor]

10s ready time is the issue and needs to be remedied.

Sorry what DDs are so bad that they have to consistently wait more than 10 seconds between weaponskills these days? And you do realize the 1 charge weaponskills don't have any decent attributes right? It's not like pets are doing double darkness skillchains.

And in order to get that 10 second ready time, the BST has to CHANGE WEAPONS. To a non-ilevel axe even! Meaning master is completely useless. Nevermind JA lock, so the ONLY damage a bst is doing in that situation is with their pet, and PETS ARE NOT BETTER THAN PLAYERS UNLESS THE PLAYERS SUCK.

[scaevola]

And in order to get that 10 second ready time, the BST has to CHANGE WEAPONS. To a non-ilevel axe even! Meaning master is completely useless. Nevermind JA lock, so the ONLY damage a bst is doing in that situation is with their pet, and PETS ARE NOT BETTER THAN PLAYERS UNLESS THE PLAYERS SUCK.

And yet the 10 second cooldown is so powerful people do it anyway.

[Malthar]

(FYI I have access to multiple BSTs account well geared.)

Bring it! My nin will whoop yo bst! lol

In tanking mode with just haste for shadow recast I keep up with the bsts. It's the smn's who're overpowered... x.x

Oh no... Did I just start another argument?

[dasva]

Name all the mobs post Delve that constantly petrify. Status cures take time to cast, especially if you don't have a Yagrush present. Slow, plague, paralyze etc will all have worse effects on player than a pet. My debuff argument makes plenty sense, have you never gotten debuffed before in content? At this point we are going in circles, people who are all BST 4 eva vs people who feel its OP atm. At this point we need parses or proof of your NIN beating a well geared BST with all buffs equal, because I am not buying that. I wanna see gear and parse, on paper they should not be losing to a NIN at all (FYI I have access to multiple BSTs account well geared.) Final point is, 10s ready time is the issue and needs to be remedied.

Yeah no not going to look up every mob that has debuffs that wreck jugs. Unless you want list for me all the debuffs that somewhat hurt players but don't do much to jugs. No your debuff argument makes no sense because both pets and players can be effected more by certain debuffs it's just different debuffs. In some situations it's worse for players some it's worst for pets. Deal with it it can't always be better worse for pets

Sorry I can't here you over me dealing as much dmg with a single ws as our bst did in a whole minute while completely staying out of range of any moves... ironically also interrupting the skillchain I tried to do with our smn. On paper a friggin rdm should be able to do 1k dps with proper buffs. How about you provide parses and proof hmmm?