Please don't nerf beastmaster

[Tidis]

I don't know what DDs are outparsing a BST right now but it will be under a well-buffed situation, if you put a DD under the same constrictions as solo BST, the have no haste, no att/acc buffs and no heals so they're dead in a minute at the most. If you ignore the whole dying aspect, an unbuffed DD doesn't hold a candle to BST right now, who, when geared correctly solo Difficult fights that otherwise generally require a party to defeat.

How is that not broken? There would be no problem with BST becoming strong enough that they warrant a DD spot in a party, or hell even a tanking one but to be able to solo fights that should require a party is OP.

[saevel]

I don't know what DDs are outparsing a BST right now but it will be under a well-buffed situation, if you put a DD under the same constrictions as solo BST, the have no haste, no att/acc buffs and no heals so they're dead in a minute at the most. If you ignore the whole dying aspect, an unbuffed DD doesn't hold a candle to BST right now, who, when geared correctly solo Difficult fights that otherwise generally require a party to defeat.

How is that not broken? There would be no problem with BST becoming strong enough that they warrant a DD spot in a party, or hell even a tanking one but to be able to solo fights that should require a party is OP.

It gets worse when you put them together with a COR and GEO. Beast roll, Companion Roll with Fraility and / or Torpor (depending on fight and how good the GEO's -DT set is), those pets are suddenly doing monstrous damage non stop. They are completely replaceable and three to four BST's can crush anything in the game doing that. Some of those pets have insane defensive stats, and because they aren't players they can actually evade and take hits from high level targets.

[bazookatooth]

I don't know what DDs are outparsing a BST right now but it will be under a well-buffed situation, if you put a DD under the same constrictions as solo BST, the have no haste, no att/acc buffs and no heals so they're dead in a minute at the most. If you ignore the whole dying aspect, an unbuffed DD doesn't hold a candle to BST right now, who, when geared correctly solo Difficult fights that otherwise generally require a party to defeat.

How is that not broken? There would be no problem with BST becoming strong enough that they warrant a DD spot in a party, or hell even a tanking one but to be able to solo fights that should require a party is OP.

So basically you're upset because a job that was designed to solo and has always been good at solo is better than other jobs at solo? makes sense...

Out of curiosity, what content are these beasts doing solo that other jobs can't? And do I mean solo. Because BST can't get any meaningful buffs from trusts and is certainly not out damaging another DD who has trust bard / cor / haste II. You can't solo escha. Requires 3 people just to pop. Can't solo delve. Can't solo vagary. So What's left that they can they do solo? One tier higher difficulty on a couple of the more gimicky AAs and Avatars that almost no one does any more anyways? Because if you use your google power, you'll find that other jobs can solo those too. Is that really what you call over powered?

It gets worse when you put them together with a COR and GEO. Beast roll, Companion Roll with Fraility and / or Torpor (depending on fight and how good the GEO's -DT set is), those pets are suddenly doing monstrous damage non stop. They are completely replaceable and three to four BST's can crush anything in the game doing that. Some of those pets have insane defensive stats, and because they aren't players they can actually evade and take hits from high level targets.

You give them cor and geo buffs and 3-4 <Any DD> can beat almost anything in the game. It's been that way for most content since like oh... 2009?..

[Tidis]

BST wasn't designed to be a solo job but keep telling yourself that, it became a solo job due to the old 30% exp penalty when using a pet, that no longer happens. Also thinking that BST is OP does not mean I or anyone, disagreeing with you is upset, it's just your way of deflecting the argument.

No job should be soloing content like Difficult merit fights except for very extreme circumstances, I'm sure many of you have seen the videos of the SCH who solos difficult/very difficult fights, that would be an extreme circumstance as he is very well geared and skilled enough to handle the various situations of the fight.

Whereas with BST you just need some decent gearsets, some job points and you're set.

[Draylo-]

It's not about only beating almost anything and you also conveniently skip over the fact they don't have to be in range of debuffs or require a specific healer or TANK because they can do both. They can also do AOE stuff down for massive damage (which only BLU can really do.) Why take 3-4 DD + Buffs + HEALER + TANK(can drop this if DD can tank) when you can take 2 BST + Buffs? See the difference ? Too many bonuses and not enough negatives. Also no, you pretty much can't take a DD like a DRK and put them in a VD fight with trusts and have them solo better than a BST or really anything as they will get creamed. BST does get meaningful buffs from trusts as well, distract, dia3, they can also melee too.

[dasva]

Ah look he just can't leave this thread.... despite saying he would twice.

[bazookatooth]

BST wasn't designed to be a solo job but keep telling yourself that, it became a solo job due to the old 30% exp penalty when using a pet, that no longer happens. Also thinking that BST is OP does not mean I or anyone, disagreeing with you is upset, it's just your way of deflecting the argument.

And arguing over the terminology used to describe how you feel is your way of deflecting the argument. If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't be complaining about it on a message board. You probably wouldn't have even bothered to read it. You'd be going on with your life. But you're here.

No job should be soloing content like Difficult merit fights except for very extreme circumstances, I'm sure many of you have seen the videos of the SCH who solos difficult/very difficult fights, that would be an extreme circumstance as he is very well geared and skilled enough to handle the various situations of the fight.

So the implication here is that there is no way for a BST to be well geared and skilled? Go try those fights on D without spending millions in gear and R/E items and then get back to me. Hell, even the jugs they use for those solos cost hundreds of thousands on your server. Let me know next time you see a SAM saying he spend a few hundred k on food for 1 fight.

Here's an idea. If it's so easy to beat those fights on D, why don't you post a video? I mean the gear practically falls from the sky and you can get all the augments you need for a couple hundred K according to thins thread. By now, someone should have shown us all how easy it is to do just out of sheer boredom.

Whereas with BST you just need some decent gearsets, some job points and you're set.

I like to know what your idea of pretty decent is. Please show us what you think you can beat a D fight in so we can all have a good chuckle.

It's not about only beating almost anything and you also conveniently skip over the fact they don't have to be in range of debuffs or require a specific healer or TANK because they can do both. They can also do AOE shit down for massive damage (which only BLU can really do.) Why take 3-4 DD + Buffs + HEALER + TANK(can drop this if DD can tank) when you can take 2 BST + Buffs? See the difference ? Too many bonuses and not enough negatives. Also no, you pretty much can't take a DD like a DRK and put them in a VD fight with trusts and have them solo better than a BST or really anything as they will get creamed. BST does get meaningful buffs from trusts as well, distract, dia3, they can also melee too.

And you're conveniently skipping over the part where they can't remove a large portion of those debuffs from the pet, (did you get hit with break? enjoy being useless for 5 minutes) Can only heal it about once every minute, have to use pets that are generally bad at doing damage in order to tank but they get DIstract and DIA... meanwhile DD get Haste II, Double attack and attack rolls, Marches, Mins, Mads. etc. etc. and continuous healing and buff removal on demand.

And yes, I do see the differences in that set up. One party had too many people to begin with.

[dasva]

Plenty of mobs petrify. If amnesia doesn't last long then neither do any debuffs that effect players since status cures exist. Doom completely stops any bst strategy. Curse is pretty backbreaking as well. As is any heavy dots. Seriously your debuff argument makes no sense at all. If anything it overall effects jugs more unless you run around without support...

Also who the heck is devastated? I'm guessing you since you mad a bst ever beat your blu dding. Me? I'm laughing my ass off that anyone thinks the little bit of dmg bst can do now is all that much. My pet ls frequently doesn't use pets because they aren't all that for dmg unless you doing AoE stuff that is too dangerous for mages. They are just the lazy/easy option. Half the time we use pets is mostly because nobody here likes playing whm not because it's better. But that doesn't stop our best geared bst from trying to come nin all the time and yep doing more dmg. Which is also nice because without tanks things get pretty hairy

[Draylo-]

Name all the mobs post Delve that constantly petrify. Status cures take time to cast, especially if you don't have a Yagrush present. Slow, plague, paralyze etc will all have worse effects on player than a pet. My debuff argument makes plenty sense, have you never gotten debuffed before in content? At this point we are going in circles, people who are all BST 4 eva vs people who feel its OP atm. At this point we need parses or proof of your NIN beating a well geared BST with all buffs equal, because I am not buying that. I wanna see gear and parse, on paper they should not be losing to a NIN at all (FYI I have access to multiple BSTs account well geared.) Final point is, 10s ready time is the issue and needs to be remedied.

[Olor]

10s ready time is the issue and needs to be remedied.

Sorry what DDs are so bad that they have to consistently wait more than 10 seconds between weaponskills these days? And you do realize the 1 charge weaponskills don't have any decent attributes right? It's not like pets are doing double darkness skillchains.

And in order to get that 10 second ready time, the BST has to CHANGE WEAPONS. To a non-ilevel axe even! Meaning master is completely useless. Nevermind JA lock, so the ONLY damage a bst is doing in that situation is with their pet, and PETS ARE NOT BETTER THAN PLAYERS UNLESS THE PLAYERS SUCK.