Please don't nerf beastmaster

[Railer]

You would think if beastmaster was so overpowered that there would be tons more people on this thread complaining. I also think that a boost to other dd's health would even the playing field a bit.

[dasva]

Okay, do I really have to spell everything out? A geared to the max BST vs geared to the max other jobs. It doesn't have to suck, it needs to just be toned down. Look at THF and what happened to them, seems SE already got the message and they are planning adjustments to BST.

Except a geared to the max bst wont outdo a geared to the max dd unless you are talking about low/no buff situations.

[dasva]

NQ stones have the same potential results as +2 stones. +2 stones have a better chance at getting higher augments, but they probably do not have a 40 times better chance.

People spend 100 million gil on augments because they have more money than sense, as far as I can tell.

Actually they don't have exactly the same potential from what I've seen. I've yet to see any wrong augments with a +2 stone while with nqs it's fairly common. So right off the back a decent portion of nqs wont even give you an augment in the category you are going for let alone the particular one you want let alone a high amount. Also HQs have higher min caps so you have will at least get a decent amount.

Anyways the reason why there is such a huge price difference is because the odds of getting a good augment are that different. After throwing tons of various stones at things Nqs are definitely not worth the effort/gil except maybe dusk just because of the low availability. There are times when I seriously consider whether the ones I get from skirmish are worth the time it takes to trade them vs tossing. Now +1s are fairly decent noticeably worse than +2s but nowhere near as extreme so often worth it if the price difference becomes too great

[Draylo-]

You would think if beastmaster was so overpowered that there would be tons more people on this thread complaining. I also think that a boost to other dd's health would even the playing field a bit.

Population is low, in case you didn't notice. Also a lot of soloers (which is most of the pop atm) gravitate towards BST, they don't want it nerfed. Look at how all the people posting in this thread are BSTs as an example lol.

Except a geared to the max bst wont outdo a geared to the max dd unless you are talking about low/no buff situations.

Not true.

[Malthar]

Yes true. I always out dd any and all well geared bst on my nin.

[detlef]

Question: Is the debate really about BSTs out-damaging similarly geared melee DDs? Or is the issue that BST can provide multiple types of damage (even skillchaining) much more safely and requiring less continuous support and healing?

[Draylo-]

Yes true. I always out dd any and all well geared bst on my nin.

Stop lying, SE already knows the situation man.

[scaevola]

Actually they don't have exactly the same potential from what I've seen. I've yet to see any wrong augments with a +2 stone while with nqs it's fairly common.

dasva, I like you but this is nutty. "Wrong" augment? What? Does the system magically know what augment you want out of the pool and weight that augment for you?

Anyways the reason why there is such a huge price difference is because the odds of getting a good augment are that different. After throwing tons of various stones at things Nqs are definitely not worth the effort/gil except maybe dusk just because of the low availability. There are times when I seriously consider whether the ones I get from skirmish are worth the time it takes to trade them vs tossing. Now +1s are fairly decent noticeably worse than +2s but nowhere near as extreme so often worth it if the price difference becomes too great

Tell you what; you buy one duskorb +2 for 400k and I'll buy 40 NQs at 10k each, and we'll see who has the more desirable augment at the end.

Okay, first of all, you have no idea whether they are 40 times as likely to get x augment and even if you did, that's not even close to the most important augment. And second, what part of "you're not going to even come close to out damaging anyone with that set" did you not understand?

Just messing around in chump E AAs for testing (obviously I got trashed), patrick's hitting Tail Blow for about 3k with no melee pet stat gear on except Kerecahtl.

My SAM fudos in full 119 with Tsurumaru and what was maybe 10 or 12 STR away from the best WS set at the time I stopped playing it (though I shelved him before alluvion armor came out) for about 4k on such targets without attack buffs.

But I guess that's okay because Patrick has to wait 10 seconds to WS, whereas my SAM, with luck, only has to wait 7 or 8.

[Malthar]

Stop lying, SE already knows the situation man.

Bring it! I challenge you!

Find the best geared bst you know and I will beat it with my nin.

[machini]

Yeah, we're all BST. That's why a DNC with BST at level 15 is in here arguing that BST doesn't need to be nerfed, you just suck, and won't get better if your first instinct on someone doing better than you is to tear them down instead of build yourself up.