Please don't nerf beastmaster

[Ulth]

Bazooka, I don't like to repeat myself. Gaining tp for pets does not matter. I went over this before in this very thread. If a ready move is used when the pet has less than 1000 tp it's still treated as having 1000 tp. But you know thanks for proving my point about not a lot of damage taken options by compiling a list of old gear, some of which aren't even 119. You would think with 2 new escha zones, and a whole new event some would have been added. Rawhide path b could of had pdt, but they went with evasion instead for all the good 20 evasion would do. Maybe Adhemar will have some pdt in the augments, never know. As for defending ring I'm way past 50 shanks at this point.

[saevel]

BST way overpowered right now. Doing high damage is fine, having high survivability is fine, having minimal gear requirement is fine, having low skill curve is fine, but having all of those rolled into a single job is most definitely not fine. BST is the functional equivalent of a minimally geared SAM doing 20K fudos from 20 yalms away non-stop with full TP, WS and DT gear equipped full time. That's how ridiculous it's getting. Making pets super powerful and have higher stats then a full geared 119 player should not of happened at the same time as lowering ready's recast and turning it into a charge system. Should of been one or the other, not both.

Basically BST's pets are iLevel 120+ players. People know this, those abusing this heavily really know this and they love it. They can clear all their content easily with fairly little effort, get their drops and move on.

Now if SE makes ready have a three to five yalm range, then I could live with that. BST's would have to be sitting next to their pet and be subject to the exact same damage every other melee suffers from. They would still do crazy damage, but there would be risk involved in doing so.

If anything thinks this would "destroy BST", then that demonstrates how OP it is right now. Every other melee has to deal with damaging AOE's, status effects and survivability while still dealing less damage then a gimp poorly geared BST. Otherwise your nothing but a SAM doing 20K fudo's from twenty yalms away, and claiming it's "fair".

[bazookatooth]

BST way overpowered right now. Doing high damage is fine, having high survivability is fine, having minimal gear requirement is fine, having low skill curve is fine, but having all of those rolled into a single job is most definitely not fine. BST is the functional equivalent of a minimally geared SAM doing 20K fudos from 20 yalms away non-stop with full TP, WS and DT gear equipped full time. That's how ridiculous it's getting. Making pets super powerful and have higher stats then a full geared 119 player should not of happened at the same time as lowering ready's recast and turning it into a charge system. Should of been one or the other, not both.

Basically BST's pets are iLevel 120+ players. People know this, those abusing this heavily really know this and they love it. They can clear all their content easily with fairly little effort, get their drops and move on.

Now if SE makes ready have a three to five yalm range, then I could live with that. BST's would have to be sitting next to their pet and be subject to the exact same damage every other melee suffers from. They would still do crazy damage, but there would be risk involved in doing so.

If anything thinks this would "destroy BST", then that demonstrates how OP it is right now. Every other melee has to deal with damaging AOE's, status effects and survivability while still dealing less damage then a gimp poorly geared BST. Otherwise your nothing but a SAM doing 20K fudo's from twenty yalms away, and claiming it's "fair".

As has been demonstrated in this thread numerous times already, SAM far outpaces pets in the damage department. If yours doesn't, try to be better. My sam completely destroys my pets on anything that I use it for and my BST is better than most. I highly suggest that you stop advertising how bad you are at DD jobs on the net.

RNG does just as much damage as bst from the exact same range while planting all the hate on the tank and applying treasure hunter. BLM the same. Scholar can even make it's own skill chains to magic burst off for huge damage. BLU can do damn near everything. SMN damage goes all the way to cap. Dancer does incredible damage and barely suffered from the Rudra's nerf while being incredibly durable due to abilities and self curing. I could go on and on. Get better at the game.

Bazooka, I don't like to repeat myself. Gaining tp for pets does not matter. I went over this before in this very thread. If a ready move is used when the pet has less than 1000 tp it's still treated as having 1000 tp. But you know thanks for proving my point about not a lot of damage taken options by compiling a list of old gear, some of which aren't even 119. You would think with 2 new escha zones, and a whole new event some would have been added. Rawhide path b could of had pdt, but they went with evasion instead for all the good 20 evasion would do. Maybe Adhemar will have some pdt in the augments, never know. As for defending ring I'm way past 50 shanks at this point.

I don't like having to repeat myself either. Gaining TP does matter. Not as much as other jobs, but it does matter. Especially on the pets that use more than 1 charge per ready move, which are quite a few of the more powerful pets. I'm sorry, but you know less than you think you do about how the job is played. I compiled a full set of damage taken- with minimal accuracy loss. Not only that, but I demonstrated that BST makes the same sacrifices. Even more so if the master has to be in melee range as it's more or less impossible to protect both the pet and the master at the same time. You can stop repeating yourself now.

Sorry about your D.Ring, but as I have shown, you can still make a powerful DT- set without it.

[Draylo-]

Bazookatooth must you attack anyone that has an opinion opposite of yours? It makes you look really childish and afraid of it being nerfed. Let him have his opinion as he obviously doesn't agree with you. Also, not once in this thread have you demonstrated that SAM is leagues ahead of BST, not once.

[Ulth]

You can stop repeating yourself now.

Yeah pretty much, no sense in talking to a brick wall.

[kylani]

BST way overpowered right now. Doing high damage is fine, having high survivability is fine, having minimal gear requirement is fine, having low skill curve is fine, but having all of those rolled into a single job is most definitely not fine. BST is the functional equivalent of a minimally geared SAM doing 20K fudos from 20 yalms away non-stop with full TP, WS and DT gear equipped full time. That's how ridiculous it's getting. Making pets super powerful and have higher stats then a full geared 119 player should not of happened at the same time as lowering ready's recast and turning it into a charge system. Should of been one or the other, not both.

Basically BST's pets are iLevel 120+ players. People know this, those abusing this heavily really know this and they love it. They can clear all their content easily with fairly little effort, get their drops and move on.

Now if SE makes ready have a three to five yalm range, then I could live with that. BST's would have to be sitting next to their pet and be subject to the exact same damage every other melee suffers from. They would still do crazy damage, but there would be risk involved in doing so.

If anything thinks this would "destroy BST", then that demonstrates how OP it is right now. Every other melee has to deal with damaging AOE's, status effects and survivability while still dealing less damage then a gimp poorly geared BST. Otherwise your nothing but a SAM doing 20K fudo's from twenty yalms away, and claiming it's "fair".

From your comments, it doesn't sound like you've ever played BST or read many of the comments about the trade-offs of BST pet and master. The master doesn't have high survivability at all. The ready command requires that charges build up after the initial charge. You can't just spam ready attacks non-stop. Do you know how many job points the BSTs you've observed have? How much they've paid for augments that give them the great damage or the time spent getting the gear that helps? Generically saying BST is the equivalent of a minimally geared Sam is silly and made me want to disregard your post completely, but I care about the topic in general because I hate for folks like you to get the core job nerfed. If BST is as trivial to play as you say, then perhaps you should level one and do all the content easily...

I don't do end game anymore, so I don't know all that is involved with the complaints, but if the problem really is that other jobs CAN'T do the content, killing BST will just make no one able to do the content. It sounds like the content should be tweaked so other jobs can survive, or the player base should adjust their strategies/expectations.

[bazookatooth]

Bazookatooth must you attack anyone that has an opinion opposite of yours? It makes you look really childish and afraid of it being nerfed. Let him have his opinion as he obviously doesn't agree with you. Also, not once in this thread have you demonstrated that SAM is leagues ahead of BST, not once.

I did actually. I posted videos too, but people got mad and reported me and the comments were deleted. That doesn't even matter though because anyone who says they don't know about sam spamming Fudo -> light skill chains faster than the game can even display them at this point is flat out lying. Yourself included. You're not fooling anyone by pretending you don't know.

[Malthar]

My mythic sam wipes the floor with my mythic bst.

[Ulth]

Sam is op? color me shocked. I'm surprised SE hasn't given them Oisoya and Amatsu: Tsukikage so they could spam T4 Cosmic Elucidation skillchains.

[dasva]

If bsts have to stay in range isn't really the equivalent of a melee being in range. 2 things to gear dt for (made worse by the fact some visible armor pieces for bst aren't ilvl so those really hurt to be in on the other hand not using them also hurts your jug a bit). 2 things that need to be cured while only 1 is doing meaningful dmg. 2 things that can die and kill dps. At that point might as well just get a real DD ranged or otherwise who can do more dmg or the other pet jobs that wont need healing and can still deal decent or in smns case great dmg or another support job.


That was part of what made bst so undesirable before recent updates... master could deal decent dmg though couldn't keep up with real DDs (at least of similar lvl of gearing and buffs) while jug was basically just a body to snarl on if you got hate. Maybe Killer instinct to help the pt. Or occasionally doing weird things like making setups for magic dmg and doing some nice cloudsplitters but really if going for magic dmg there are better magic ws or just ya know do skillchain magic burst which is wrecking most content right now

As far tp mattering it sorta depends. Most bsts in most situations sticking to 1 charge moves... yeah they wont get enough to matter due to the 1k min thing. But there are things that can change that. For example aymur gives 500 tp in precast so anything past 500 tp when you use ready would matter. Having pet regain can also make a bit of a difference especially if you are doing an event that has a bit of running around. Using 2/3 charge moves gives you more time. Riding full pet haste with jps and gear and augmented familiar and the pig move can actually gain tp almost as fast as mediocrely melees. "precharging" meaning not using charges as soon as they are available but waiting until you are full then use all the moves to make that first one stronger. Or something stopping you from using charge moves like frequent stuns, or petrify, amnesia, sleep terror