Please don't nerf beastmaster

[dasva]

Yeah a whole BST ls coming to support their favoritest job in the world. Gimmie a break, anyone can see how OP BST is atm, I'm so done with this thread!

Please in that same set of fights tonight our nin tanks were doing 10k+ ws faster than every 10 seconds. Which incidentally was about the same dmg as the tiger pet's moves we had with us. And that was without frailty or player att buffs though the bst did have beastmasters roll. Of course once one of the nms petrified it was all over for the bst. He was out for basically the rest of the fight... meanwhile ninja kept going. Done again already? Why it's only been 2 pages since you last said you were done

[Draylo-]

RNG and COR aren't soloing or in most cases duoing things like BST is, so I don't see the comparison. SAM spamming ws doesn't mean anything especially considering we already discussed the required jobs it needs for support (yeah BST uses support but much less than a melee DD.) SMN is locked on a 35s timer, THF is locked behind a timer and requires additional support and NIN.. are you serious? BST has too many benefits behind it and that is what makes it unfair. All that DMG without the need for additional support and can laugh at a large majority of debuffs. The ready timer needs to be nerfed imo, that would go a long way to even things out.

[dasva]

RNG and COR aren't soloing or in most cases duoing things like BST is, so I don't see the comparison. SAM spamming ws doesn't mean anything especially considering we already discussed the required jobs it needs for support (yeah BST uses support but much less than a melee DD.) SMN is locked on a 35s timer, THF is locked behind a timer and requires additional support and NIN.. are you serious? BST has too many benefits behind it and that is what makes it unfair. All that DMG without the need for additional support and can laugh at a large majority of debuffs. The ready timer needs to be nerfed imo, that would go a long way to even things out.

So who cares about soloing? So you admit sam is a better DD but are mad they need to take a whm? Well guess what that's the trade off of more dmg just like the trade off of not needing a healer is less dmg. yeah smn takes 3 times the recast but can do 9 times the dmg.... great argument there. Please players laugh at as many debuffs as pets do they are just different debuffs

[Ritsuka]

I think they should nerf it

[Draylo-]

Don't point the finger elsewhere, we are talking about BST for now.

[Malthar]

The "pointing the finger elsewhere" is how you like to call "people refuting my central point"?

You've lost this argument. You lost it long ago. You have demonstrated time and again your ignorance, your aggressive rudeness, and your complete and total lack of emotional detachment. I don't know what BST molested you as a child, but you need to let it go.

Here we go...

[Tidis]

I don't know what DDs are outparsing a BST right now but it will be under a well-buffed situation, if you put a DD under the same constrictions as solo BST, the have no haste, no att/acc buffs and no heals so they're dead in a minute at the most. If you ignore the whole dying aspect, an unbuffed DD doesn't hold a candle to BST right now, who, when geared correctly solo Difficult fights that otherwise generally require a party to defeat.

How is that not broken? There would be no problem with BST becoming strong enough that they warrant a DD spot in a party, or hell even a tanking one but to be able to solo fights that should require a party is OP.

[saevel]

I don't know what DDs are outparsing a BST right now but it will be under a well-buffed situation, if you put a DD under the same constrictions as solo BST, the have no haste, no att/acc buffs and no heals so they're dead in a minute at the most. If you ignore the whole dying aspect, an unbuffed DD doesn't hold a candle to BST right now, who, when geared correctly solo Difficult fights that otherwise generally require a party to defeat.

How is that not broken? There would be no problem with BST becoming strong enough that they warrant a DD spot in a party, or hell even a tanking one but to be able to solo fights that should require a party is OP.

It gets worse when you put them together with a COR and GEO. Beast roll, Companion Roll with Fraility and / or Torpor (depending on fight and how good the GEO's -DT set is), those pets are suddenly doing monstrous damage non stop. They are completely replaceable and three to four BST's can crush anything in the game doing that. Some of those pets have insane defensive stats, and because they aren't players they can actually evade and take hits from high level targets.

[machini]

It gets worse when you put them together with a COR and GEO. Beast roll, Companion Roll with Fraility and / or Torpor (depending on fight and how good the GEO's -DT set is), those pets are suddenly doing monstrous damage non stop. They are completely replaceable and three to four BST's can crush anything in the game doing that. Some of those pets have insane defensive stats, and because they aren't players they can actually evade and take hits from high level targets.

And any other DD when buffed with Chaos Roll, and a GEO doing Fury/Frailty also tears up. Your point being?