The Game Is Ending... Can I get this please?

[Stompa]

Its not about the name of deities or prophets, or even religion at all. It is not about social justice warriors. It is just about love, and the simple scientific fact that people fall in love with God, and God loves them. It is both natural and scientific. There's no getting around the basic reality of it.

I would also say that I play videogames for a lot of reasons, but escaping from a world with religious people in it, is certainly not one of the reasons. It is possible to be happy in the real world, and be happy in videogames, and no escaping involved anywhere.

You should also know that the reason 'social justice warriors' exist at all, is because a large number of christians have been killed by bigots, or driven to suicide, just for being a christian, in fact, believers in the God of Abraham are the most persecuted group of people in the history of the world. You don't have to be a social activist to feel sorrowful about this. The whole drive of protecting christian rights online, and in videogames, is a response to centuries of persecution and slayings.

As I said before, I see why FFXI has a fictional religion, as it is a fantasy setting. So it makes sense from a fantasy storytelling perspective. But at the same time it is a videogame with paying customers, and a business model where *all customers have equal rights* is just the basic default setting for most successful business models. So they might as well just add Christianity, excluding some of your customers just because of who they love, is business sense Failga IV.



Maybe like this you will understand why your argument is silly?

No, I don't understand at all.

You seem to be saying you are religious and you love God. Some of my dearest friends are Christians. I have friends from all religions. I also have friends who are gay people. In my world-view, it is possible to admire and befriend different groups of people at the same time, regardless of their religion or lifestyle.

I have over 13mil posts on my Social Science bulletin-board which I've been a member of since 1989. It is a closed-group board for sociologists, many of us have written books on religion, history and culture. I have studied and written a lot on religion.

I will keep it simple and just say to you that our current main religions have been around for several thousand years, whereas gay people have been around for several hundred thousand years. It has been proven that our earliest tribal ancestors recognised that some people were attracted to same-gender partners, and in those earliest goddess-worshipping lunar cultures, discrimination towards others for sexuality was literally not possible due to the nature of the tribal unit. Art and later writings show that these tribes were very harmonious and open-minded towards this issue.

I also recognise that historically, the man/wife marriage model only arrived recently, at the same time as domestication of livestock, and the building of the first castles. Before that time, humans hunted wild animals, were nomadic, and had lunar tribal unions. The interesting fact is that the ownership concept of 'my land' and 'my animals' arrived at the same historical time as the concept of 'my wife'. Modern religion arrived even later. These are all new concepts, compared to the pagan nomadic tribal era that comprised most of human history. And in that vast expanse of human historical time, gays not only existed but were accepted as normal members of the tribe.

It is great that you love God, and I hope that your Christianity brings you great joy and peace in your life. But I still think it would be nice if the tarutaru in the OP could marry the person they love!

[BBWallace]

No, I don't understand at all.

You seem to be saying you are religious and you love God. Some of my dearest friends are Christians. I have friends from all religions. I also have friends who are gay people. In my world-view, it is possible to admire and befriend different groups of people at the same time, regardless of their religion or lifestyle.

I have over 13mil posts on my Social Science bulletin-board which I've been a member of since 1989. It is a closed-group board for sociologists, many of us have written books on religion, history and culture. I have studied and written a lot on religion.

I will keep it simple and just say to you that our current main religions have been around for several thousand years, whereas gay people have been around for several hundred thousand years. It has been proven that our earliest tribal ancestors recognised that some people were attracted to same-gender partners, and in those earliest goddess-worshipping lunar cultures, discrimination towards others for sexuality was literally not possible due to the nature of the tribal unit. Art and later writings show that these tribes were very harmonious and open-minded towards this issue.

I also recognise that historically, the man/wife marriage model only arrived recently, at the same time as domestication of livestock, and the building of the first castles. Before that time, humans hunted wild animals, were nomadic, and had lunar tribal unions. The interesting fact is that the ownership concept of 'my land' and 'my animals' arrived at the same historical time as the concept of 'my wife'. Modern religion arrived even later. These are all new concepts, compared to the pagan nomadic tribal era that comprised most of human history. And in that vast expanse of human historical time, gays not only existed but were accepted as normal members of the tribe.

It is great that you love God, and I hope that your Christianity brings you great joy and peace in your life. But I still think it would be nice if the tarutaru in the OP could marry the person they love!

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[kaerin]

If you are a christian, and gay people getting married doesn't directly affect you, why do you care? No one is forcing you to marry a gay. What do you gain as a christian by discriminating?

Adding random stuff to the game at this point does directly affect me. And everyone else who plays. I would rather have more escha NMs and unity NMs, and everything else they plan to add before ending development than having the devs waste time changing something that can be simply worked around by creating a mule of the opposite gender to grab the ring on.

[kaerin]

The funniest part of all this is that Person X engages in the very modern notion of "being offended" and says this is because of their very modern religion, and uses it to criticise something that has been a mainstream cultural norm since the very earliest days of our species, ie. gay/bisexual people.

At no point did I say I was offended by anything due to my religion. I also have yet to even claim what my religion is, or if I even am religious. And I even specifically talk about 3 separate religions. You're projecting onto me what you want you want to be there so you can make longwinded posts from your high place. Which is typical liberal BS. Spew fake made-up facts with no evidence to support them and claim the moral high ground while judging others based on things they didn't say, because you don't know how to read or comprehend anything that doesn't follow your world view.

What's next, you going to tell us about the wage gap? (the one that doesn't actually exist I mean, where women make 76 cents or whatever for every dollar a man makes)

[Roja323]

At no point did I say I was offended by anything due to my religion. I also have yet to even claim what my religion is, or if I even am religious. And I even specifically talk about 3 separate religions. You're projecting onto me what you want you want to be there so you can make longwinded posts from your high place. Which is typical liberal BS. Spew fake made-up facts with no evidence to support them and claim the moral high ground while judging others based on things they didn't say, because you don't know how to read or comprehend anything that doesn't follow your world view.

What's next, you going to tell us about the wage gap? (the one that doesn't actually exist I mean, where women make 76 cents or whatever for every dollar a man makes)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap

You mean that wage gap? I guess when your religous, its easy to argue with science and numbers...

[Roja323]

So let me guess, global warming isn't real either?

[kaerin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap

You mean that wage gap? I guess when your religous, its easy to argue with science and numbers...

All the "pay gap" says is that if you add together all the money women make and divide it by the number of women counted you get 76 cents for every dollar men make when you count their earnings the same way. There is no other measurements brought into it. Like the fact that women work less than 40 hours a week on average and men work more than 40. That alone would put men above women if they made the same amount per hour. It also doesn't take into account the work that men and women do. Women are far less likely to apply for and do dangerous or labor intensive jobs, that you know, pay more. Women are far more likely to take easier jobs with more time off. The reason women make less is that they choose to make less. And if you look at the hourly wages of men and women in the same fields for the same length of time, you find that young women actually make more per hour worked than young men. But then, youre a liberal, I wouldnt expect you to know anything.

So let me guess, global warming isn't real either?

The concept of man made global warming is false. Want to know the best way to tell? Look at the actions of the people who support it. They claim it's a crisis with their words, then don't treat it like one. If Al Gore really thought the ocean was going to swallow up the coast in a few years, he wouldnt of spent all those millions of dollars on a house on the Californian ocean beachfront. If Leonardo Dicaprio really thought carbon emissions were bad, he wouldnt have flown his private jet from California to NY to march in a parade against it. It's the little things that give it away.... Not just the big things, like how there's more ice in Antarctica than there ever has been since we've been keeping track with satellites, and the amount keeps going up every year, and has been for many years... (it started in 1976 I believe) while "global warmers" scream its all melting, and according to Al Gores movie it should of all melted by now.

[Zeargi]

Which is typical liberal BS.

You may not be telling which religion you are, but you most definitely belie yourself with your vernacular.

On topic, I support the OP, because I believe that EVERYONE is entitled to be happy and have love, and long as as your happiness doesn't come at the cost of someone else's. And if you think that this impacts your happiness then you need to take a deep look inward, because, it doesn't affect you in the slightest. You CHOOSE to let it.

And just to cause problems: Global Warming is wrong~! OK-AY BYE~!! *runs off to play the game*