The Game Is Ending... Can I get this please?

[kaerin]

Why do social justice warriors feel the need to push their agenda everywhere? You don't see Christians or Muslims crying they want Jesus and mohammod added as alternative in game religions to the worship of altana... Why can't you just let it go? Its not important. Stop trying to bring your real world problems into the games people play to escape from those things.

[BBWallace]

Why do social justice warriors feel the need to push their agenda everywhere? You don't see Christians or Muslims crying they want Jesus and mohammod added as alternative in game religions to the worship of altana... Why can't you just let it go? Its not important. Stop trying to bring your real world problems into the games people play to escape from those things.

What the hell are you talking about? He asked for a simple request politely. No need to bring your bitter self up in here. And obviously other people agreed with this sediment.

[Stompa]

Why do social justice warriors feel the need to push their agenda everywhere? You don't see Christians or Muslims crying they want Jesus and mohammod added as alternative in game religions to the worship of altana... Why can't you just let it go? Its not important. Stop trying to bring your real world problems into the games people play to escape from those things.

Its not about the name of deities or prophets, or even religion at all. It is not about social justice warriors. It is just about love, and the simple scientific fact that boys fall in love with boys, and girls fall in love with girls. It is both natural and scientific. There's no getting around the basic reality of it.

I would also say that I play videogames for a lot of reasons, but escaping from a world with gay people in it, is certainly not one of the reasons. It is possible to be happy in the real world, and be happy in videogames, and no escaping involved anywhere.

You should also know that the reason 'social justice warriors' exist at all, is because a large number of gay people have been killed by bigots, or driven to suicide, just for being in love with a same-gender person. You don't have to be a social activist to feel sorrowful about this. The whole drive of protecting LGBT rights online, and in videogames, is a response to centuries of persecution and slayings.

As I said before, I see why FFXI had normal traditional marriage only, as it is a medieval setting. So it makes sense from a historical perspective. But at the same time it is a videogame with paying customers, and a business model where *all customers have equal rights* is just the basic default setting for most successful business models. Excluding some of your customers just because of who they love, is business sense Failga IV.

[SMD111]

Its not about the name of deities or prophets, or even religion at all. It is not about social justice warriors. It is just about love, and the simple scientific fact that boys fall in love with boys, and girls fall in love with girls. It is both natural and scientific. There's no getting around the basic reality of it.

I would also say that I play videogames for a lot of reasons, but escaping from a world with gay people in it, is certainly not one of the reasons. It is possible to be happy in the real world, and be happy in videogames, and no escaping involved anywhere.

You should also know that the reason 'social justice warriors' exist at all, is because a large number of gay people have been killed by bigots, or driven to suicide, just for being in love with a same-gender person. You don't have to be a social activist to feel sorrowful about this. The whole drive of protecting LGBT rights online, and in videogames, is a response to centuries of persecution and slayings.

As I said before, I see why FFXI had normal traditional marriage only, as it is a medieval setting. So it makes sense from a historical perspective. But at the same time it is a videogame with paying customers, and a business model where *all customers have equal rights* is just the basic default setting for most successful business models. Excluding some of your customers just because of who they love, is business sense Failga IV.

Square is a Japanese company and here is the law in Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Japan
with just this line
"As of 2000, sexual orientation is not protected by national civil rights laws, which means that LGBT Japanese have no legal recourse when they face such discrimination in such areas as employment, education, housing, health care, and banking."
LGBT's have no protection in Japan so SE has no requirements to do any thing about it thay can do anything thay want no mater what you want(when it comes to LGBT)
also in Japan LGBT is not discussed in public

not to mention there are countries that have outright outlawed being LGBT and if Square wants to keep selling things in thoes countries thay have to keep it out of there products

[Stompa]

Square is a Japanese company and here is the law in Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Japan
with just this line
"As of 2000, sexual orientation is not protected by national civil rights laws, which means that LGBT Japanese have no legal recourse when they face such discrimination in such areas as employment, education, housing, health care, and banking."
LGBT's have no protection in Japan so SE has no requirements to do any thing about it thay can do anything thay want no mater what you want(when it comes to LGBT)
also in Japan LGBT is not discussed in public

not to mention there are countries that have outright outlawed being LGBT and if Square wants to keep selling things in thoes countries thay have to keep it out of there products

Many parts of Asia that have traditional conservative politics, are also countries that traditionally believe in privacy, and what goes on in your personal life is your business. The laws are focused on stopping public indecency, and especially pornography. Private life is traditonally kept private.

There is a difference between the political or religious culture which states that such acts are not tolerated in society, and the act of two tarutaru boys exchanging rings in a virtual wedding. This is not the same as gambling laws, which govern online gambling and clashed with the mogbonanza. There is no actual law that says two tarutaru boys can not attend a virtual wedding.

I'm not LGBT, so I don't have a horse in this race at all. And SE will do whatever they feel most comfortable with. I was just saying that my own view is that if two taru boys want to marry in game, I don't see how it hurts anyone.

[SMD111]

I'm not LGBT, so I don't have a horse in this race at all. And SE will do whatever they feel most comfortable with. I was just saying that my own view is that if two taru boys want to marry in game, I don't see how it hurts anyone.

i agree but its still se's decision and if thay dont want to allow it thay dont have to

[Zarchery]

It seems like a total non-issue. At least in real life there are practical legal reasons to get married. In game it's what? A cutscene and a couple signed rings?

I don't really see what the ending of the game has to do with it though.

[kaerin]

Its not about the name of deities or prophets, or even religion at all. It is not about social justice warriors. It is just about love, and the simple scientific fact that people fall in love with God, and God loves them. It is both natural and scientific. There's no getting around the basic reality of it.

I would also say that I play videogames for a lot of reasons, but escaping from a world with religious people in it, is certainly not one of the reasons. It is possible to be happy in the real world, and be happy in videogames, and no escaping involved anywhere.

You should also know that the reason 'social justice warriors' exist at all, is because a large number of christians have been killed by bigots, or driven to suicide, just for being a christian, in fact, believers in the God of Abraham are the most persecuted group of people in the history of the world. You don't have to be a social activist to feel sorrowful about this. The whole drive of protecting christian rights online, and in videogames, is a response to centuries of persecution and slayings.

As I said before, I see why FFXI has a fictional religion, as it is a fantasy setting. So it makes sense from a fantasy storytelling perspective. But at the same time it is a videogame with paying customers, and a business model where *all customers have equal rights* is just the basic default setting for most successful business models. So they might as well just add Christianity, excluding some of your customers just because of who they love, is business sense Failga IV.



Maybe like this you will understand why your argument is silly?

[Roja323]

Its not about the name of deities or prophets, or even religion at all. It is not about social justice warriors. It is just about love, and the simple scientific fact that people fall in love with God, and God loves them. It is both natural and scientific. There's no getting around the basic reality of it.

You had me until you tried to say its scientific to love a god. If you believe in any god, great good for you, but don't tarnish science by saying its scientific to love god. I get your trying to spoof a previous post, but no...just no.

By that logic, if my dog cant go to heaven, then god has no heart, and that is science!

[Stompa]

Its not about the name of deities or prophets, or even religion at all. It is not about social justice warriors. It is just about love, and the simple scientific fact that people fall in love with God, and God loves them. It is both natural and scientific. There's no getting around the basic reality of it.

I would also say that I play videogames for a lot of reasons, but escaping from a world with religious people in it, is certainly not one of the reasons. It is possible to be happy in the real world, and be happy in videogames, and no escaping involved anywhere.

You should also know that the reason 'social justice warriors' exist at all, is because a large number of christians have been killed by bigots, or driven to suicide, just for being a christian, in fact, believers in the God of Abraham are the most persecuted group of people in the history of the world. You don't have to be a social activist to feel sorrowful about this. The whole drive of protecting christian rights online, and in videogames, is a response to centuries of persecution and slayings.

As I said before, I see why FFXI has a fictional religion, as it is a fantasy setting. So it makes sense from a fantasy storytelling perspective. But at the same time it is a videogame with paying customers, and a business model where *all customers have equal rights* is just the basic default setting for most successful business models. So they might as well just add Christianity, excluding some of your customers just because of who they love, is business sense Failga IV.



Maybe like this you will understand why your argument is silly?

No, I don't understand at all.

You seem to be saying you are religious and you love God. Some of my dearest friends are Christians. I have friends from all religions. I also have friends who are gay people. In my world-view, it is possible to admire and befriend different groups of people at the same time, regardless of their religion or lifestyle.

I have over 13mil posts on my Social Science bulletin-board which I've been a member of since 1989. It is a closed-group board for sociologists, many of us have written books on religion, history and culture. I have studied and written a lot on religion.

I will keep it simple and just say to you that our current main religions have been around for several thousand years, whereas gay people have been around for several hundred thousand years. It has been proven that our earliest tribal ancestors recognised that some people were attracted to same-gender partners, and in those earliest goddess-worshipping lunar cultures, discrimination towards others for sexuality was literally not possible due to the nature of the tribal unit. Art and later writings show that these tribes were very harmonious and open-minded towards this issue.

I also recognise that historically, the man/wife marriage model only arrived recently, at the same time as domestication of livestock, and the building of the first castles. Before that time, humans hunted wild animals, were nomadic, and had lunar tribal unions. The interesting fact is that the ownership concept of 'my land' and 'my animals' arrived at the same historical time as the concept of 'my wife'. Modern religion arrived even later. These are all new concepts, compared to the pagan nomadic tribal era that comprised most of human history. And in that vast expanse of human historical time, gays not only existed but were accepted as normal members of the tribe.

It is great that you love God, and I hope that your Christianity brings you great joy and peace in your life. But I still think it would be nice if the tarutaru in the OP could marry the person they love!