The Game Is Ending... Can I get this please?

[SMD111]

I'm not LGBT, so I don't have a horse in this race at all. And SE will do whatever they feel most comfortable with. I was just saying that my own view is that if two taru boys want to marry in game, I don't see how it hurts anyone.

i agree but its still se's decision and if thay dont want to allow it thay dont have to

[kaerin]

Its not about the name of deities or prophets, or even religion at all. It is not about social justice warriors. It is just about love, and the simple scientific fact that people fall in love with God, and God loves them. It is both natural and scientific. There's no getting around the basic reality of it.

I would also say that I play videogames for a lot of reasons, but escaping from a world with religious people in it, is certainly not one of the reasons. It is possible to be happy in the real world, and be happy in videogames, and no escaping involved anywhere.

You should also know that the reason 'social justice warriors' exist at all, is because a large number of christians have been killed by bigots, or driven to suicide, just for being a christian, in fact, believers in the God of Abraham are the most persecuted group of people in the history of the world. You don't have to be a social activist to feel sorrowful about this. The whole drive of protecting christian rights online, and in videogames, is a response to centuries of persecution and slayings.

As I said before, I see why FFXI has a fictional religion, as it is a fantasy setting. So it makes sense from a fantasy storytelling perspective. But at the same time it is a videogame with paying customers, and a business model where *all customers have equal rights* is just the basic default setting for most successful business models. So they might as well just add Christianity, excluding some of your customers just because of who they love, is business sense Failga IV.



Maybe like this you will understand why your argument is silly?

[Roja323]

Its not about the name of deities or prophets, or even religion at all. It is not about social justice warriors. It is just about love, and the simple scientific fact that people fall in love with God, and God loves them. It is both natural and scientific. There's no getting around the basic reality of it.

You had me until you tried to say its scientific to love a god. If you believe in any god, great good for you, but don't tarnish science by saying its scientific to love god. I get your trying to spoof a previous post, but no...just no.

By that logic, if my dog cant go to heaven, then god has no heart, and that is science!

[Stompa]

Its not about the name of deities or prophets, or even religion at all. It is not about social justice warriors. It is just about love, and the simple scientific fact that people fall in love with God, and God loves them. It is both natural and scientific. There's no getting around the basic reality of it.

I would also say that I play videogames for a lot of reasons, but escaping from a world with religious people in it, is certainly not one of the reasons. It is possible to be happy in the real world, and be happy in videogames, and no escaping involved anywhere.

You should also know that the reason 'social justice warriors' exist at all, is because a large number of christians have been killed by bigots, or driven to suicide, just for being a christian, in fact, believers in the God of Abraham are the most persecuted group of people in the history of the world. You don't have to be a social activist to feel sorrowful about this. The whole drive of protecting christian rights online, and in videogames, is a response to centuries of persecution and slayings.

As I said before, I see why FFXI has a fictional religion, as it is a fantasy setting. So it makes sense from a fantasy storytelling perspective. But at the same time it is a videogame with paying customers, and a business model where *all customers have equal rights* is just the basic default setting for most successful business models. So they might as well just add Christianity, excluding some of your customers just because of who they love, is business sense Failga IV.



Maybe like this you will understand why your argument is silly?

No, I don't understand at all.

You seem to be saying you are religious and you love God. Some of my dearest friends are Christians. I have friends from all religions. I also have friends who are gay people. In my world-view, it is possible to admire and befriend different groups of people at the same time, regardless of their religion or lifestyle.

I have over 13mil posts on my Social Science bulletin-board which I've been a member of since 1989. It is a closed-group board for sociologists, many of us have written books on religion, history and culture. I have studied and written a lot on religion.

I will keep it simple and just say to you that our current main religions have been around for several thousand years, whereas gay people have been around for several hundred thousand years. It has been proven that our earliest tribal ancestors recognised that some people were attracted to same-gender partners, and in those earliest goddess-worshipping lunar cultures, discrimination towards others for sexuality was literally not possible due to the nature of the tribal unit. Art and later writings show that these tribes were very harmonious and open-minded towards this issue.

I also recognise that historically, the man/wife marriage model only arrived recently, at the same time as domestication of livestock, and the building of the first castles. Before that time, humans hunted wild animals, were nomadic, and had lunar tribal unions. The interesting fact is that the ownership concept of 'my land' and 'my animals' arrived at the same historical time as the concept of 'my wife'. Modern religion arrived even later. These are all new concepts, compared to the pagan nomadic tribal era that comprised most of human history. And in that vast expanse of human historical time, gays not only existed but were accepted as normal members of the tribe.

It is great that you love God, and I hope that your Christianity brings you great joy and peace in your life. But I still think it would be nice if the tarutaru in the OP could marry the person they love!

[BBWallace]

No, I don't understand at all.

You seem to be saying you are religious and you love God. Some of my dearest friends are Christians. I have friends from all religions. I also have friends who are gay people. In my world-view, it is possible to admire and befriend different groups of people at the same time, regardless of their religion or lifestyle.

I have over 13mil posts on my Social Science bulletin-board which I've been a member of since 1989. It is a closed-group board for sociologists, many of us have written books on religion, history and culture. I have studied and written a lot on religion.

I will keep it simple and just say to you that our current main religions have been around for several thousand years, whereas gay people have been around for several hundred thousand years. It has been proven that our earliest tribal ancestors recognised that some people were attracted to same-gender partners, and in those earliest goddess-worshipping lunar cultures, discrimination towards others for sexuality was literally not possible due to the nature of the tribal unit. Art and later writings show that these tribes were very harmonious and open-minded towards this issue.

I also recognise that historically, the man/wife marriage model only arrived recently, at the same time as domestication of livestock, and the building of the first castles. Before that time, humans hunted wild animals, were nomadic, and had lunar tribal unions. The interesting fact is that the ownership concept of 'my land' and 'my animals' arrived at the same historical time as the concept of 'my wife'. Modern religion arrived even later. These are all new concepts, compared to the pagan nomadic tribal era that comprised most of human history. And in that vast expanse of human historical time, gays not only existed but were accepted as normal members of the tribe.

It is great that you love God, and I hope that your Christianity brings you great joy and peace in your life. But I still think it would be nice if the tarutaru in the OP could marry the person they love!

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[Rainehx]

With the game finally coming to an end, and this already being out in a newer Final Fantasy,
can we please get same-gender marriage?


I'm not going to go all crazy like people on the FFXIV boards, but it shouldn't take too much tweaking and I'd really appreciate it---I'm sure a whole lot of other gamers would too... I've played this game for years and I'd like to finally be able to marry someone of the same-gender on here. Silly, I know, but it'd mean a lot for my favorite game to at least have this before it truly stops getting updates and just minor bug fixes/patches.

Thank you so much,
- Beloved FFXI fan.

The game is not ending, updates are... if that means youll be no longer interested in the game, and not bothered to continue playing that's fine, thats up to you.

But how about we dont use the whole "the game is ending so...." to ruin the game for those who actually do love this game and the people in it rather than the latest shiny items, those that still played when updates stopped before and kept the game alive, those who intend on continuing playing, rather than messing the game up even more than it is.
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I personally have no issue with same sex irl or online, but just because the game will be over for you... its not a reason to change / spam forums in the attempt to change the game, like some seem to be doing.

[Roja323]

The game is not ending, updates are... if that means youll be no longer interested in the game, and not bothered to continue playing that's fine, thats up to you.

But how about we dont use the whole "the game is ending so...." to ruin the game for those who actually do love this game and the people in it rather than the latest shiny items, those that still played when updates stopped before and kept the game alive, those who intend on continuing playing, rather than messing the game up even more than it is.
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I personally have no issue with same sex irl or online, but just because the game will be over for you... its not a reason to change / spam forums in the attempt to change the game, like some seem to be doing.

I am getting mixed signals from you. You imply that adding same sex marriage would ruin the game and that there is no reason to change the status quo.

Like it or not, the updates stop in November. It might not be the servers shutting down, but that's pretty much game over for 99% of the population once they finish w/e they are currently working on. No updates and no new content, for a game you have to pay to play monthly is pretty much the equivalence of a game being done.

[Zarchery]

It seems like a total non-issue. At least in real life there are practical legal reasons to get married. In game it's what? A cutscene and a couple signed rings?

I don't really see what the ending of the game has to do with it though.

[kaerin]

Thats quiet the potty mouth you have urtdiger, very becoming for someone who brags about being a mod and should be above name calling since youre trying to claim the moral high ground. Did I upset your delicate sensibilities? lol

[SMD111]

Religious beliefs aside the op's request has some merit but in Japanese society sex or sexual orientation is just not discussed in public and MMORPG's are a vary public space so the likelihood of se adding any thing like this is almost moot not to mention the fact that se is a Japan based company and in japan the is no marriage between same sex couples even tho there are no social stigmas against it

and so you know im not gay but i am a Wiccan(so you know ware im coming from)