Automaton damage

[Camate]

Greetings,

On the topic of automaton damage, I think you will be interested to hear about how the Flame Holder attachment works and see some data on the stats for various automaton weapon skills.

• Flame Holder
  This attachment currently gives a similar effect to “Damage varies with TP” and the effect value varies depending on the amount of fire maneuvers you have, which is shown below.
  
  • No fire maneuvers: damage +25%
    *Currently there is a bug and no damage bonus is given when you do not have any fire maneuvers. This will be fixed in the September version update. Also with this change, the effect of the Flame Holder attachment will stack additional damage onto the damage from Magic Mortar that is calculated from the automaton’s missing HP.
    
  • 1 fire maneuver: damage +100%
  • 2 fire maneuvers: damage +175%
  • 3 fire maneuvers: damage +250%

Now then, onto the weapon skill data…

• Chimera Ripper
  Base stat: Damage +500%, Accuracy +100
  Modifier stat: STR50%
  TP1000: Damage±0%
  TP2000: Damage＋250%
  TP3000: Damage＋500%

• String Clipper
  Base stat: Twofold attack, Damage＋250%, Attack +25%
  Modifier stat: STR30%, DEX30%
  TP1000: Accuracy±0
  TP2000: Accuracy +50
  TP3000: Accuracy +100

• Arcuballista
  Base stat: Damage＋600%, Accuracy＋100
  Modifier stat: DEX60%
  TP1000: Damage±0%
  TP2000: Damage＋300%
  TP3000: Damage＋600%

• Slapstick
  Base stat: Threefold attack, Damage +166%
  Modifier stat: STR30%, DEX30%
  TP1000: Accuracy ±0
  TP2000: Accuracy +40
  TP3000: Accuracy +80

• Bone Crusher
  Base stat: Threefold attack, Damage +166%, Additional effect: Stun, Against undead: Damage +100%
  Modifier stat: VIT60%
  TP1000: no effect
  TP2000: no effect
  TP3000: no effect

• Armor Piercer
  Base stat: Damage +300%, Accuracy＋100, Defense ignored -50%
  Modifier stat: DEX60%
  TP1000: Damage±0%
  TP2000: Damage＋150%
  TP3000: Damage＋300%

• Magic Mortar
  Base stat: Damage varies depending on automaton’s remaining HP
  Modifier stat: none
  TP1000: Damage＋50%
  TP2000: Damage＋75%
  TP3000: Damage＋150%

• String Shredder
  Base stat: Threefold attack, Damage +50%, Accuracy +10, Attack +36%
  Modifier stat: VIT50%
  TP1000: Critical +20%
  TP2000: Critical +40%
  TP3000: Critical +70%

• Armor Shatterer
  Base stat: Damage +500%, Accuracy +50, Additional effect: reduced defense -15% (90 seconds), Attack +125%
  Modifier stat: DEX50%
  TP1000: Extended effect duration for additional effect±0%
  TP2000: Extended effect duration for additional effect＋33%
  TP3000: Extended effect duration for additional effect＋66%

• Cannibal Blade
  Base stat: Damage +1500% (*)
  Modifier stat: MND100%
  TP1000: Damage±0%
  TP2000: Damage＋750%
  TP3000: Damage＋1500%
  *Base damage varies depending on melee skill.

• Daze
  Base stat: Damage＋500%, Accuracy＋150, Additional effect: Stun
  Modifier stat: DEX100%
  TP1000: Damage±0%
  TP2000: Damage＋250%
  TP3000: Damage＋500%

• Knockout
  Base stat: Damage +500%, Accuracy +50, Additional effect: reduced evasion -10% (30 seconds)
  Modifier stat: AGI100%
  TP1000: Damage±0%
  TP2000: Damage＋250%
  TP3000: Damage＋500%

[larrymc]

Base stat: Damage +500%, Accuracy +50, Additional effect: reduced evasion -10% (30 seconds)

I'm jealous - bst got our % based evasion reduction nerfed away

[Zeargi]

I'm jealous - bst got our % based evasion reduction nerfed away

How many PUPs do you see vs. BST? Not to mention BST has 100% control over Ready which doesn't require TP to use.

[dasva]

I'm jealous - bst got our % based evasion reduction nerfed away

It's incorrect though I tested it like a month ago and it definitely wasn't percentage based. It was only -50 for 30 seconds. So similar strength then infrasonics is now but with much shorter duration. The upside is it's an additional effect on dmg you are already doing instead of having to waste a move putting a debuff on a mob that you can't tell when it wears off because it's too hard to put that in chat log so if you are using that frame you can actually spam it to keep it on without hindering your dmg much more than you were by just using that frame (and mage frames I've noticed are sometimes being used for their tanking anyways)

Either way though you are better off just getting a rdm to debuff it or even /rdm half the time

Anyways as far as the dmg posts goes it's put in a way that's a bit different then how we generally have formulas.

Any theories on what it means? My thought is those +% dmg are basically just compared to a normal melee hit.. basically kind of what we would think of ftp. So a ws with say base +500% dmg and another +500% at 3k tp would be one with base 6.0 ftp and 11.0 at 3k. I started to do some really rough dmg comparisons between regular hits and ws and it seems to somewhat line up though stat mods add in too. And for the multi hit ones will they transfer like most ws do these days or just 1.0 for the additional? If transfer bonecrusher could be pretty amazing with flameholder

Another thing I've noted though was while a lot of those melee ws look good... and really their stats are pretty good to the point of being about as good as the ranged ones. The problem is the melee hits of all frames are only dealing like 250-300 dmg on lvl 0 mobs so no matter how great the ws stats are your dmg is going to be weak. It's like a melee DD using a weapon with the base dmg of something from lvl 75 (this is of course a bit of an exaggeration but not as big as you might think given the base delay). Oh the other end the rng frames shots do like 1-1.2k which is not bad so it's ws do ok despite similar ws stats.

tl;dr raise auto melee base dmg because it seems like they haven't really raised it with ilvl at all

[AtrixWolfe]

It's incorrect though I tested it like a month ago and it definitely wasn't percentage based. It was only -50 for 30 seconds. So similar strength then infrasonics is now but with much shorter duration.

Someone recently tested feint as well, and the information it was % based was also wrong. It is enough to make me wonder if any % based info is right at all.

[dasva]

Someone recently tested feint as well, and the information it was % based was also wrong. It is enough to make me wonder if any % based info is right at all.

Well feint decayed so it was really easy to mess up with parses and/or checking mobs. The jug -evasion moves definitely were right though.

[waithuhwhat]

Greetings,

On the topic of automaton damage, I think you will be interested to hear about how the Flame Holder attachment works and see some data on the stats for various automaton weapon skills.

• Flame Holder
  This attachment currently gives a similar effect to “Damage varies with TP” and the effect value varies depending on the amount of fire maneuvers you have, which is shown below.
  
  • No fire maneuvers: damage +25%
    *Currently there is a bug and no damage bonus is given when you do not have any fire maneuvers. This will be fixed in the September version update. Also with this change, the effect of the Flame Holder attachment will stack additional damage onto the damage from Magic Mortar that is calculated from the automaton’s missing HP.
    
  • 1 fire maneuver: damage +100%
  • 2 fire maneuvers: damage +175%
  • 3 fire maneuvers: damage +250%

Now then, onto the weapon skill data…

• String Clipper
  Base stat: Twofold attack, Damage＋250%, Attack +25%
  Modifier stat: STR30%, DEX30%
  TP1000: Accuracy±0
  TP2000: Accuracy +50
  TP3000: Accuracy +100

• Bone Crusher
  Base stat: Threefold attack, Damage +166%, Additional effect: Stun, Against undead: Damage +100%
  Modifier stat: VIT60%
  TP1000: no effect
  TP2000: no effect
  TP3000: no effect

• String Shredder
  Base stat: Threefold attack, Damage +50%, Accuracy +10, Attack +36%
  Modifier stat: VIT50%
  TP1000: Critical +20%
  TP2000: Critical +40%
  TP3000: Critical +70%

I know this is an older post but, is there a reason why String Shredder is weaker than these two? It turns out that pet critical hits don't seem to work the same way as players and it just seems so odd that Shredder is weaker that Clipper.