Automaton damage

[Draylo-]

With max buffs they can, it depends on the NM. PUP is miles behind BST in dmg and SMN as well.

[Ezrah]

With max buffs they can

Not just with buffs, but with MAX buffs(whatever that means). Thats not just a bst by itself. That is a bst+geo or cor or rdm or w/e 'debuffing' as well as buffs. Also I'm pretty sure only cor can really provide any pet buffs and that isn't a lot. So i doubt that with just buffs 30k/10s is happening. I'd like to see a screenshot w/ a timestamp of 30k every 10s.

That is a lot of factors going into such a statement. Then to use such an inflated truth to get pup adjusted is wrong.

Please when debating a topic don't bring in unspoken or implied factors. Thats like a kid on the playground being like "No you didn't get me cause I have shields"

I wish people wouldn't hate on other pet jobs because one isn't the other. A SMN can also do a lot of defensive/buff stuff that a BST or PUP or DRG can't (BP Wards, Favor) You are comparing three jobs that very different and trying to fit them all in the same hole just because they use pets. Then trying to say they should be the same or on par. Well where are all the BST defensive/pt buff rdy moves? Make jugs use mp and give bst an mp pool.

I play both all these jobs w/ the exception of DRG and I love them all and I would never put one down to try and further the other.