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    My issue is that there are so many weaponskills, and the elements on them aren't obvious, that it's impossible to memorize the skillchain chart. I've still never had it explained in a way that makes sense, why skillchains work the way they do, and the names of most of the skillchain effects don't convey what element they are. I've been in the game since 2002, and I know you have to do moves in a certain order, with a delay inbetween, but as for why the system actually works how it does, it makes no sense. The icons for WS in the menu don't seem to have any color coding based on how they chain, and the visual effects also don't give indication. The holiday event for picking the moves the NPCs use was frustrating when the moogle is scolding me to remember my elements, when I have no idea what element any of those moves are in the first place.

    I have to rely on an external web site to tell me what skillchains are formed by what skills, and if time is of the essence I can't get it done in time. I've played a mage all my time, so I can magic burst, but forming a skillchain is something I haven't been called on to do.

    Skillchains are like American Football to me. Nobody has ever been able to give me an understandable explanation of the rules so that I can follow why people are doing the things they are doing, so watching or playing is boring. George Carlin and Andy Griffith also failed in that explanation.
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  2. #52
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    Possibly aden's old renkei charts still exist!?

    Quote Originally Posted by bungiefanNA View Post
    My issue is that there are so many weaponskills, and the elements on them aren't obvious, that it's impossible to memorize the skillchain chart. I've still never had it explained in a way that makes sense, why skillchains work the way they do, and the names of most of the skillchain effects don't convey what element they are. I've been in the game since 2002, and I know you have to do moves in a certain order, with a delay inbetween, but as for why the system actually works how it does, it makes no sense. The icons for WS in the menu don't seem to have any color coding based on how they chain, and the visual effects also don't give indication. The holiday event for picking the moves the NPCs use was frustrating when the moogle is scolding me to remember my elements, when I have no idea what element any of those moves are in the first place.

    I have to rely on an external web site to tell me what skillchains are formed by what skills, and if time is of the essence I can't get it done in time. I've played a mage all my time, so I can magic burst, but forming a skillchain is something I haven't been called on to do.

    Skillchains are like American Football to me. Nobody has ever been able to give me an understandable explanation of the rules so that I can follow why people are doing the things they are doing, so watching or playing is boring. George Carlin and Andy Griffith also failed in that explanation.
    I know what you mean and I always had a printed out page of Adens chart's for ffxi that he used to make for all the years i've played and not sure if it's still functioning but I'll lead you to the website that still exists for downloading it as afar as I can tell. Go Here For Website, ;-) hope it does give you additional help!
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  3. #53
    I know how to read the chart, but the chart doesn't explain WHY it works. Notice I said I have to rely on an external web site for the information, I meant that chart and various other versions of it. Following the chart blindly gives me no insight into how to do things without the chart, so I can figure out skillchains on my own. Reading the chart during a time-limited event is also very difficult with just how many weaponskills there are on it. What I'm asking is for a simple explanation of why the chart works, and how the information on it was found out. As far as I can see right now, it was trial-and-error, and that's a poor solution when the event instructs you to "remember your elements" when there is no in-game element indicator.
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    Player YosemiteYogorockBlondelle's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by bungiefanNA View Post
    I know how to read the chart, but the chart doesn't explain WHY it works. Notice I said I have to rely on an external web site for the information, I meant that chart and various other versions of it. Following the chart blindly gives me no insight into how to do things without the chart, so I can figure out skillchains on my own. Reading the chart during a time-limited event is also very difficult with just how many weaponskills there are on it. What I'm asking is for a simple explanation of why the chart works, and how the information on it was found out. As far as I can see right now, it was trial-and-error, and that's a poor solution when the event instructs you to "remember your elements" when there is no in-game element indicator.
    Yeah true!! ;-) It only shows graphics in the game to each one done but it also states the combination element types in the text chat logs as it tend to go on flying by to fast to notice it but only after its completed it. Don't think i'm disagreeing with you, just adding to it hopefully! (-:
    I know what you mean for the elements of the weapon skill itself and Yes, thats the direction i'm believing you're heading down in which I know it doesn't state the element being done upon that one ws you just used into figuring them out in the game but it's only adjusted in the colors of the graphic effect to each one but even they can be off to knowing for sure if it is actually that element or not in the color of the graphical effect that's been shown after said used weapon skill.

    Maybe they could add big fat text pop up like they did for a new roe quests objective has begun lol showing what you seek... anywho.. don't know if it would be this detailed to show you in advance inside the game before you make a move into the ws's or the combination of elements to be one element type of an sc but sure would be nice. Yes no explanation but I kind of bet there way of an explanation in game would be an add to a Q & A npc already in the game.

    You do realize most things discovered in rl to being a fact have come from trial and error right?? {Notice I didn't say all things in life are...} (RL = Real Life)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Well, I'm part of the 13th anniversary event! And you all have been trying to beat me up for my suit.
    The npcs sc'ing at the event are hard to be in sync with sometimes for the folks doing the event..but other then that...

    Well all good things must come from trial and error, miss and hit but you'll get better over time with fine tuned idea's for even more of an better presented event from knowledge of a past event/commented events, at least your bringing players back together to get reacquainted and more knowledgeable about weapon skills, weapons skills into skillchains as an achievement from this event Camate. Another thing is more people now want to be more in tune with them to be able to those very things even better to accomplish them really well, Camate.
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