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    Player Neonii's Avatar
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    Why Make Jobs useless ?

    Help me understand why the game does not accommodate all jobs in a meaningful way in Abyssea?. My favorite job (SMN) is locked out of a lot of the content. I understand that I can level another job but that is more of a make do measure than fun. Is any consideration given to customer satisfaction when designing such major content? As a customer is it unreasonable to want to enjoy my main in all aspects of the game? Players who enjoy unpopular/not as useful jobs are locked into playing alternative jobs which are not nearly as fun just to be included. This is not intended to be a rant thread. My intentions are to voice my concerns as to why such major content does not accommodate all jobs in an equal manner. I would suggest that all jobs in the game be considered and the content itself be balanced to fit all of the jobs in the game.
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    What you want is literally impossible with the way the game currently is, and no amount of tweaking or balancing will fix it. The biggest problem is that it is the player base that ultimately decides on the strategies and tactics used in the events and often do things differently than how the dev team envisioned.

    I understand why your upset since one of my favorite jobs is Rng, but I think I've been on the job once in the last year because unfortunately it's just not useful in most situations and I have to accept that.
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    All content doesn't suit all jobs.

    SMN is a job that specializes against strong enemies and as you've seen in Abyssea, nothing is really hard enough to field SMNs. The proc issue is the other major hurdle as the jobs with procs are more than enough to kill most mobs.

    Your job isn't alone in being snubbed by Abyssea (RNG PLD BST DRG DRK RDM PUP COR and BRD to some extent) given that the bare minimum is more than enough to clear 90% of content. I think SE took into consideration the pre-Abyssean environment and decided to make casual content and a place where anyone could become powerful with the correct key items. Sadly, once the proc system became fully known and Heroes (90cap) tipped things towards being a joke, certain classes started getting shaved off and the system boiled down to a mechanical process of getting procs and sorting drops.

    SE cannot promote all jobs to be equal given that well... all jobs aren't equal. The best they can do is to create environments where certain jobs are good for certain events. Variety, as it were.

    Right now there is very little variety so it's natural to see a spike in complaints given well... Final Fantasy XI is currently Abyssea Fantasy 3: Blue it and Brew it.

    Lucky for you, Voidwatch (and its future additions) will be SMN friendly events given the relative danger of being in AOE range outside Abyssea. A world without Abyssea will benefit alot of classes currently on the downturn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neonii View Post
    My favorite job (SMN) is locked out of a lot of the content.
    How so?

    Superfluous text.
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    To make the rest of classes useful.
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    Fortunatley, we have a lot of pet jobs in my main LS, so BST, PUP , and SMN get a little more inclusion than they seem to get elsewhere. So I can't really relate to this sentiment too much personally, but I have seen a lot of people voice it elsewhere. There is a kinda a funny quirk about the current state of the game though....I'm doing almost all the older content on SMN now. Before, it used to be BLM, WHM, melee, or GTFO. Now with the low man strats for the older stuff, I'm living on SMN outside abyssea more than ever.

    Guess in the end it balances out. But it does kinda stink if you want to do the fun stuff in aby on SMN and the people you're doing it with aren't to enthused about it. But... on the upside, SMN can solo a bunch of crap. Takes longer, but you can do a lot by yourself.
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    Player Neonii's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji View Post
    How so?

    Superfluous text.
    Thanks everyone for responding to my question. Now to answer yours I have been told by several ls to level something else if I wanted to attend ls events. I am relatively new to FFX1 and spent well over a year leveling SMN and it is the job I really enjoy and know best. I actually finished leveling my sub job whm to attend events and it was pure he double matchsticks. I burned out very quickly on whm from being expected to be an expert on a job I had barely had an opportunity to level. Playing became more of a chore than fun. So now I find myself faced with leveling a new character instead of enjoying my SMN. IMO content like Abyssea should have a niche for every job. Now if Voidwatch would just catch on in my ls.
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    Don't go with LSes. Find a few like minded people ask around. Its been like this since way before abyssea was even a thought. Really everything in abyssea can be done with 6 or lower, and sometimes the more you take the worse off you'll be. If you can find people that you have fun with who cares how long it will take you to finish gear. Pugs suck even when they don't wipe and can kill, proc they still suck. Now going with a few friends while having fun is better then just getting gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neonii View Post
    Thanks everyone for responding to my question. Now to answer yours I have been told by several ls to level something else if I wanted to attend ls events. I am relatively new to FFX1 and spent well over a year leveling SMN and it is the job I really enjoy and know best. I actually finished leveling my sub job whm to attend events and it was pure he double matchsticks. I burned out very quickly on whm from being expected to be an expert on a job I had barely had an opportunity to level. Playing became more of a chore than fun. So now I find myself faced with leveling a new character instead of enjoying my SMN. IMO content like Abyssea should have a niche for every job. Now if Voidwatch would just catch on in my ls.
    You need a different LS. Anyone who wont take a job that can put out 2k+ outside of abyssea and 4k+ inside every 45 seconds, plus buff the whole party is a moron.
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    Yeah, I don't know how the hell you're not going to abyssea. Seems like every EXP group I go to has at least one SMN.
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