Beastmasters being undersold

[Daniel_Hatcher]

#3 - Pet intelligence - Unfortunately this is a bit more annoying with the whole hate aspect, but it's not that hard to get your pet back, from experience. If that other mob isn't still hitting on your pet, simply heel it and put it back on the mob. Sure it costs you a few seconds and maybe a hit or two, but at the same time it's not hard to control.

Shouldn't have to keep Heeling, or spamming Fight to get it to hit the mob you want. Last I checked every other pet on this game doesn't change random targets.

[Kensagaku]

Shouldn't have to keep Heeling, or spamming Fight to get it to hit the mob you want. Last I checked every other pet on this game doesn't change random targets.

AoEs are more likely to kill the other pets rather than make it switch target and they have less methods of restoring pet HP, so would you like to gimp our pet's HP down to put it on par with the others, or lower our pet food to a straight-up regen like auto oils?

It's also really easy to switch mobs, and if your pet has hate on multiple mobs it means you either made a mistake in linking or you made a mistake in aggroing and had to save yourself. Both are cases of player error. If it's a stray AoE you should only have to heel/fight once. If it keeps happening? MOVE AWAY. Isn't that kinda common sense for avoiding AoEs?

[Yopop]

There are always people out there who edit posts in their head and miss the subject.

Stray AoE can actually cause a pet to consistently turn to attack the casting mob. This can cause the target mob to go unclaimed and people will take that chance to steal that claim. By using heel you risk the chance of again losing claim. Spamming Fight on the intended target is about all you can do. You an get AoE from mobs from other parties and aliances still which sucks for any pet jobs.

It's not player error if they get aggro it's the perk of having a pet. BST was intended to be a solo job it was designed for it and should maintain that ideal.

I believe when you get more experience under your belt as a lot of the bsts who are posting ideals on the subject you'll understand the frustration of pets. Do not take this personal but after 7 years of tweaks being done to every job and the same problems still happening to BST it gets old after awhile.

AoE from a mob that is claimed by another alliance isn't a player error by the way. They patched that a few years back so that you couldn't mpk by there are still mobs whose AoE can affect players and pets. Isn't that kinda common sense that outside AoE shouldn't affect a players hate?

AoEs are more likely to kill the other pets rather than make it switch target and they have less methods of restoring pet HP, so would you like to gimp our pet's HP down to put it on par with the others, or lower our pet food to a straight-up regen like auto oils?

It's also really easy to switch mobs, and if your pet has hate on multiple mobs it means you either made a mistake in linking or you made a mistake in aggroing and had to save yourself. Both are cases of player error. If it's a stray AoE you should only have to heel/fight once. If it keeps happening? MOVE AWAY. Isn't that kinda common sense for avoiding AoEs?

[Kensagaku]

There are always people out there who edit posts in their head and miss the subject.

Stray AoE can actually cause a pet to consistently turn to attack the casting mob. This can cause the target mob to go unclaimed and people will take that chance to steal that claim. By using heel you risk the chance of again losing claim. Spamming Fight on the intended target is about all you can do. You an get AoE from mobs from other parties and aliances still which sucks for any pet jobs.

It's not player error if they get aggro it's the perk of having a pet. BST was intended to be a solo job it was designed for it and should maintain that ideal.

I believe when you get more experience under your belt as a lot of the bsts who are posting ideals on the subject you'll understand the frustration of pets. Do not take this personal but after 7 years of tweaks being done to every job and the same problems still happening to BST it gets old after awhile.

AoE from a mob that is claimed by another alliance isn't a player error by the way. They patched that a few years back so that you couldn't mpk by there are still mobs whose AoE can affect players and pets. Isn't that kinda common sense that outside AoE shouldn't affect a players hate?

"When I get more experience"...? I've been a BST for about a year now, and I've soloed plenty. Also, read my post, I never said AoE from another party's alliance was player error... but really, it is. If you have a problem with AoEs? Move. Not really that hard to get away from the mob.

It's not player error if they get aggro it's the perk of having a pet. BST was intended to be a solo job it was designed for it and should maintain that ideal.

How... how is it a perk of having a pet if you get aggro? It's a mistake on your part which causes the monster to attack you, which requires you to switch your pet's target and in turn make it draw hate, at which point it can swap between two targets because you couldn't be bothered to avoid aggro in the first place. It is an error. The perk is saving yourself from the aggro, but at the cost of dealing with your pet's hate list issues.

I'm not saying that I like the pet switching targets. But I'm saying that it's also very easily avoidable if you're careful and don't make little mistakes. Aggroing is a mistake when you're trying to focus on a target. Linking is a mistake when you're trying to focus on a target. Not knowing to move away from AoEs is a mistake when you don't want your pet to go wandering off. And I'm not saying I don't do any of these too; in fact, it's because I make these mistakes that I learn from them, and avoid making them as often as possible to avoid the issue of a battle that could go horribly wrong if my pet's attention gets diverted.

[Gotterdammerung]

So far i like the idea of just allowing bst to maintain claim on several enemies at once. I always thought it was silly and annoying that you have to share your 1 hate claim with your pet even tho you and it are 2 different things. We should at least be able to keep hate on 2 things at once.

I agree that we should have a more reliable way of telling our pet wich monster to fight.

I agree that any pet should zone with you. And furthermore suggest that jug pets should stay even if u log off and back on. Nothing worse than losing money on an expensive jug because of a d/c ot because u needed to leave irl or the power goes out.

I agree that pet Tp moves should trigger yellow if they are on the list. even tho that will only add 1k needles its still makes sense.

I agree that expanding our available jugs and access to more Pet tp moves would be nice.

[Alukat]

I agree too, that pets should be able to zone. it sucks if u just started something and u d/c or that it isn't evenworth to pop a pet if u want to kill 30 mobs and need to zone then (while trial as example) and u lost a good 90 minutes on a 7k jug.

i agree that the older pets should get more time and and increased level, sabotender can be called at 75 and cap is like 85?

i totally agree to give pets the access to all tp-moves, lizard pet with Baleful Gaze as example *.*

and pls fix the hate problem, it happened too often that my pet got hit by an AoE and was attacking 2 mobs then.
also if there is a link or something like that it would be neat to allow to choose one mob, happened very often that both mobs were at 50% when pet died (sucks if a strong mob comes for u due to this > ), if u can choose one mob it would be possible to get the initial mob (on which bst has hate) down.

[Glamdring]

Keeping your pet would be a huge help. on nights where my LS decides to farm multiple NMs my pet may live, but I have to immediately kill it to go to another zone, only to do it again (maybe 8 times a night). Even pup and drg get their pet back the second they step outside a city. Only jugs though, charmed pets aren't that much of a worry, and in fact below 35-70 on /bst-that is your leave command; it would be all too easy for that to turn into a situation where zoning does not lose aggro.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I think part time bst's are misunderstanding what is going on with the pet glitch lol

Say you were out soloing hedjedjet... no aggro or anything... after you kill him.. you do your victory dance then wonder.. where has my pet run off too...

You start to run around thinking this is odd... eventually you come upon your pet fighting scorpions... his blood lust not satisfied by the previous kill he went off to get another on his own... w/o asking permission first ;o

thats the basic idea of it >_>

[Visari]

In regards to the whole Heqet scenario, and this will work in many situations dealing with linking mobs to an nm. Now obviously you were already planning on getting the nm so you timer will be down for this. Send your pet to attack Heqet. This is important for all you new folks to bst. MAKE SURE YOUR PET ACTUALLY HITS HEQET. Not just miss and turn red. Immediately heel pet keeping heqet red and linking whatever else, it doesnt matter. when you get get heqet back on land leave pet and immediately call another. This drops all links. Badda boom badda bing heqet is yours, or whatever nm for that matter, without ever losing hate. This comes from years of experience and you just cant expect most folks to operate like this whom have key whored their bst to 90. Obviously the technique isnt as good as using naturals as you are wasting gil, or time if you farm all your own stuff like myself.

[Gotterdammerung]

In regards to the whole Heqet scenario, and this will work in many situations dealing with linking mobs to an nm. Now obviously you were already planning on getting the nm so you timer will be down for this. Send your pet to attack Heqet. This is important for all you new folks to bst. MAKE SURE YOUR PET ACTUALLY HITS HEQET. Not just miss and turn red. Immediately heel pet keeping heqet red and linking whatever else, it doesnt matter. when you get get heqet back on land leave pet and immediately call another. This drops all links. Badda boom badda bing heqet is yours, or whatever nm for that matter, without ever losing hate. This comes from years of experience and you just cant expect most folks to operate like this whom have key whored their bst to 90. Obviously the technique isnt as good as using naturals as you are wasting gil, or time if you farm all your own stuff like myself.

Said this alredy ...

claim with jug pet. Use leave. Use call beast. This will undue the links.
Things to watch out for with this angle-
make sure heqet will not pick up any NEW links in his path to u after "leave"