Job Adjustments in March 2015 Update

[FrankReynolds]

>BRD can sleep entire rooms full of mobs instantly, has the ability to buff party haste attack defense, and to impair enemy attacks etc., party movement speed up, and many other useful support role functions.

BRD will never be doing those things and dealing damage. The two roles are mutually exclusive and therefore irrelevant to the discussion.

>DNC can cure for 1000hp+ without using mp

This takes away their means of doing damage and renders them a support role. No one ever invites them to do this. Irrelevant to the conversation.

or risking interrupt

Unless they are paralyzed, amnesiaed, stunned, etc. Things which happen quite frequently on the front line and rarely on the back. But again, they will have Saber dance up if they are there to DD. If they don't, their damage will fall behind other DDS.

and without the danger of a mage job taking hate,

But with the danger of taking hate and / or dieing themselves. ALso just to make sure that you got it... they will have Saber dance up if they are there to DD. If they don't, their damage will fall behind other DDS.

has high evasion,

Nothing can be evasion tanked any more. Try again.

mob debuffs,

Again, eats into DD abilities while buffing other DDS and still doesn't warrant an invite.

dualwield,

Because they need it. They can't wield a GK.

party movement speed up,

Who cares?

party haste, etc.

Haste will be capped by support jobs rendering this useless. Try again.

>THF can obtain multi-million gil drops from mobs,

So can any other job.

pick locks, can steal enemy items/bonuses,

HAH HAH HAH! good one.

can steal enemy SP (including Manafont-Meteor),

Yes, that been so game changing... This is so funny. You are seriously killing me.

can flee,

I don't think that has been part of any strategy in like 5 years. Even then the strategy was flee and go die somewhere. You should do stand up.

blah blah blah...

>WAR can hit mobs and damage them and provoke and retaliation and massive double attack and massive critical hits and use any damage type and make any skill chain and rock massive defense and a bunch of other stuff.... Thats all.

So there's your apples and oranges right there. Bon appetit. If you still think its fair that those support role jobs have all those bonuses AND have a dagger WS that just pumps out 15k+ damage like its no big deal, while WAR has zero of those useful support abilities and has gaxe skills that hover around 8k a lot of the time, then obviously we have different understandings of game balance.

You do have a different understanding. See, I think that being able to shoot rainbows out of your behind doesn't matter at all if the only thing people want is a DD and you aren't it. None of that stuff you listed about these jobs matters in the least which is why no one was bringing them to events until they started doing better damage. And all the comparisons in the world won't change that fact. Support roles are already taken by bard, whm, rdm, geo and cor. No one wants a support thf or dnc and no one wants a DD bard.

Re; upheaval, I use it because it is consistent, Ukkos tends to veer around too much, also I think Upheaval is a cool WS and I never had any problems with it until my THF started spamming 10k+ while naked and facing the mob.

Yeah, and my level one war does 1,000,000 damage per hit while weakened.

Re; white damage, if you look at damage per round rather than per hit, WAR greataxe isn't really more than a THF with dual-wield plus triple-attack plus critical hit gear, or DNC/war with dualwield and critical hit gear, you are getting a similar amount to my WAR with its slow greataxe attacks. Also factor in high-evasion mobs, those are unforgiving for heavy weapons, if we miss we wait for ages to attack again, but with triple-attack dualwield daggers, if you miss you are hitting again before you even notice.

Sounds nice, but that's not how that works. a 50% hit rate is a 50% hit rate regardless of how fast you swing.

I never said I hate THF/BRD/DNC, I have played all those jobs for years, and I farmed Rudras on WOE dagger in 2011, long before the free login items/ lower NM respawn/#ofcoins requirement reductions, and back then we didn't have ilvl so the WOE mobs were just killing me all day long as I farmed the 300~ items.

So if anything I am a long term Rudra's user, dating back four years. I was just making a friendly comment, saying it doesnt seem right that this WS outperforms my Greataxe so consistently, on jobs that have access to powerful cures, horde lullaby, TH etc. and then ontop of all that these support jobs get a WS that is more powerful than a straight DD gets, when that DD job has no other abilities at all except doing damage.

Where were you 10 years ago when sneak attack -> viper bite was all the rage? Why weren't you screaming for nerfs then?