Merits > Job Points!

[Alhanelem]

I've ran out of reasons to use merit points. I have everything I need from these new fights. If they implemented this, then I would once again have a reason to merit.

You get CP from the exact same things as merits though. Therefore, since you want CP, you still have reason to go out and get it. By being able to convert merits just because you're allegedly done with the high tier battles (which of course we know there will be more) you're able to get far more CP than people who aren't "done" with them, which doesn't seem fair to me. You essentially get to double dip.

[dasva]

CP farm areas taken? Go to incursion; it's even customizable to how difficult you want it to be.

Even lower level mobs like level 95 give CP. Sure it's not a lot, but you wouldn't expect lower level mobs to give you a lot of exp either. It's supposed to be more difficult to get CP because basically what SE is doing is instituting a level "soft cap". When you have a soft cap, it takes a ridiculous amount to go up even the smallest amount of improvement (at least in other games that I have played that had a soft cap). If SE didn't do it this way then there would be no more progression except through ilevel gear. Should you be able to increase CP gain rate by stuff like CP rings? sure, we have exp rings too, makes sense. There should probably also be CP pages (like Miratete's Memoirs). Should we be able to convert merits to CP? no way.

idk I can make pretty decent xp off of lowish level stuff... and then there is RoE, GoV/FoV and assignments for tons. I get it's supposed to be harder but at this level it's fake difficulty. I mean it already takes 9.9 cp to cap just one job. Job specific merits take 740k xp. And cp gain rate is much lower on the good mobs. That alone makes it harder. You said this is like leveling well then let's make this actually like leveling

Edit: Also another problem is the whole penalty for ilvl difference needs to go away

[Kimble]

No it would not be wise. Job Points are another type of leveling. Think of leveling your job 1-99. Would it have been acceptable to have been able to level your NIN from 1-99 by getting experience points on COR?

The problem is that if a PUP is being discriminated again, he won't see an increase on making his job that much better/funner for him. Using my homie's Rune Fencer, for example, would mean no access to Job Point traits.

[Singforu]

Maybe exchange merits for CP pages then?

Can't exchange merits for exp pages, so no.

[Singforu]

Be able to buy Vocation Rings with Merit Points?

can't buy exp rings with merits, so no.

[Singforu]

Edit: Also another problem is the whole penalty for ilvl difference needs to go away

yes, that is quite annoying. Since it's a level based off gear instead of actual level. oh, oh.... mob is about to die... switch gear mages, just for the death. darnit! was too slow. DDs, stop killing so fast!

[FrankReynolds]

By being able to convert merits just because you're allegedly done with the high tier battles (which of course we know there will be more) you're able to get far more CP than people who aren't "done" with them, which doesn't seem fair to me. You essentially get to double dip.

People who aren't done meriting feel the same way about players who are done with merits being able to spam high level fights. People who aren't finished leveling feel the same way about people who are 99 being able to get merits instead of exp.

What's the difference?

[Selindrile]

can't buy exp rings with merits, so no.
Can't exchange merits for exp pages, so no.

WAT

While I don't really care about buying JP with merits, I have plenty of HTB to use merits on as it is, would rather just see JP come quick, this reasoning is.... just ridiculous.

Effectively what you're saying is: "Because you can't exchange one form of exp for another form of exp you shouldn't be able to exchange it for a form of capacity."

And if you want to get technical, you can buy a KI with merits which upon defeating you get a number of CP, so, in a roundabout way, you can already can exchange it for a form of capacity.

Personally, I think making capacity come in larger amounts and more places is the way to go, but /shrug, to each their own.

[Alhanelem]

People who aren't done meriting feel the same way about players who are done with merits being able to spam high level fights. People who aren't finished leveling feel the same way about people who are 99 being able to get merits instead of exp.

What's the difference?

Since I get more merits than I know what to do without trying (there's some things I haven't capped yet but its so low priority that it bothered me not at all to do high tier battles), it doesn't really take long to get the core stuff out of the way and I don't feel its the same situation. The point is, they're seperate systems. Nobody cried about not getting EXP at lv75 before merits came out. Why does everything always have to have a use? You still need to go out and farm capacity points, so its not true that you don't have any reason to go out and farm anymore. Just pretend the EXP isn't there or something.

I totally agree with basically everyone around here that capacity points are too slow. However, that is something that should be adjusted directly rather than through some roundabout method.

[Singforu]

WAT

While I don't really care about buying JP with merits, I have plenty of HTB to use merits on as it is, would rather just see JP come quick, this reasoning is.... just ridiculous.

you seem to be mixing ideas in the same sentence. but to not assume, i will ask: what does you having HTB to use merits on, or you preferring to see JP come quick, have to do with my argument: since JP is another form of leveling, and that merits can't be converted to exp rings/pages that they shouldn't be able to be converted to the equivalent JP?

Effectively what you're saying is: "Because you can't exchange one form of exp for another form of exp you shouldn't be able to exchange it for a form of capacity."

exactly. because capacity is a form of exp.

And if you want to get technical, you can buy a KI with merits which upon defeating you get a number of CP, so, in a roundabout way, you can already can exchange it for a form of capacity.

you still had to kill something, so no, you didn't exchange merits for capacity.

Personally, I think making capacity come in larger amounts and more places is the way to go, but /shrug, to each their own.

to what limit? as someone else suggested, do you want a button on the main menu that when you press it gives you JP? I believe we should have the same access to JP as we do EXP. Anything beyond that is unacceptable. So yes, I advocate more places of getting CP than what is currently present (i.e.: CP pages you get from doing a quest), but within the restriction i just mentioned.