Merits > Job Points!

[Tennotsukai]

CP farm areas taken? Go to incursion; it's even customizable to how difficult you want it to be.

Even lower level mobs like level 95 give CP. Sure it's not a lot, but you wouldn't expect lower level mobs to give you a lot of exp either. It's supposed to be more difficult to get CP because basically what SE is doing is instituting a level "soft cap". When you have a soft cap, it takes a ridiculous amount to go up even the smallest amount of improvement (at least in other games that I have played that had a soft cap). If SE didn't do it this way then there would be no more progression except through ilevel gear. Should you be able to increase CP gain rate by stuff like CP rings? sure, we have exp rings too, makes sense. There should probably also be CP pages (like Miratete's Memoirs). Should we be able to convert merits to CP? no way.

Maybe exchange merits for CP pages then?

[detlef]

Maybe exchange merits for CP pages then?

Be able to buy Vocation Rings with Merit Points?

[Singforu]

Be able to buy Vocation Rings with Merit Points?

can't buy exp rings with merits, so no.

[Selindrile]

can't buy exp rings with merits, so no.
Can't exchange merits for exp pages, so no.

WAT

While I don't really care about buying JP with merits, I have plenty of HTB to use merits on as it is, would rather just see JP come quick, this reasoning is.... just ridiculous.

Effectively what you're saying is: "Because you can't exchange one form of exp for another form of exp you shouldn't be able to exchange it for a form of capacity."

And if you want to get technical, you can buy a KI with merits which upon defeating you get a number of CP, so, in a roundabout way, you can already can exchange it for a form of capacity.

Personally, I think making capacity come in larger amounts and more places is the way to go, but /shrug, to each their own.

[Singforu]

WAT

While I don't really care about buying JP with merits, I have plenty of HTB to use merits on as it is, would rather just see JP come quick, this reasoning is.... just ridiculous.

you seem to be mixing ideas in the same sentence. but to not assume, i will ask: what does you having HTB to use merits on, or you preferring to see JP come quick, have to do with my argument: since JP is another form of leveling, and that merits can't be converted to exp rings/pages that they shouldn't be able to be converted to the equivalent JP?

Effectively what you're saying is: "Because you can't exchange one form of exp for another form of exp you shouldn't be able to exchange it for a form of capacity."

exactly. because capacity is a form of exp.

And if you want to get technical, you can buy a KI with merits which upon defeating you get a number of CP, so, in a roundabout way, you can already can exchange it for a form of capacity.

you still had to kill something, so no, you didn't exchange merits for capacity.

Personally, I think making capacity come in larger amounts and more places is the way to go, but /shrug, to each their own.

to what limit? as someone else suggested, do you want a button on the main menu that when you press it gives you JP? I believe we should have the same access to JP as we do EXP. Anything beyond that is unacceptable. So yes, I advocate more places of getting CP than what is currently present (i.e.: CP pages you get from doing a quest), but within the restriction i just mentioned.

[Selindrile]

you seem to be mixing ideas in the same sentence. but to not assume, i will ask: what does you having HTB to use merits on, or you preferring to see JP come quick, have to do with my argument: since JP is another form of leveling, and that merits can't be converted to exp rings/pages that they shouldn't be able to be converted to the equivalent JP?

It's a mix of related ideas, certainly, to explain while I don't really have a strong opinion on the OP's statement. I was saying I would be unlikely to spend merits on Job Points as I spend them on HTBs. This statement was saying that even though I don't strongly support the OPs suggestion, I still think your argument was ridiculous.

exactly. because capacity is a form of exp.

In a manner, but you missed the entire point, you can't exchange exp for exp rings or for exp scrolls because it would be moot. Exchanging it into CP or JP would not. There are plenty of ways to change most forms of currency into gil, and even ways for you to exchange one type of currency into different denominations used for different things of it's own type which have different uses, and of course vouchers that change into most types of currency.

you still had to kill something, so no, you didn't exchange merits for capacity.

See the same argument when you say you can't exchange it for JP rings, or heck, could even say "You still had to use a Capacity Scroll, so no, you didn't exchange merit points for capacity.

to what limit? as someone else suggested, do you want a button on the main menu that when you press it gives you JP? I believe we should have the same access to JP as we do EXP. Anything beyond that is unacceptable. So yes, I advocate more places of getting CP than what is currently present (i.e.: CP pages you get from doing a quest), but within the restriction i just mentioned.

To a logical limit that makes the majority of the player base happy enough to keep playing, but busy enough not to run out of things to do, which is the only logical thing to strive for in MMO design. I believe we currently gain JP too slowly, I can't state a concrete number, but I do believe doubling the amount of CP we obtain would do such, even over the long haul, could it be raised past that? Probably, but I wouldn't hazard an exact guess where the cut off point is for too much or too little exactly, but I feel we're a far cry away from that at the moment.

[Singforu]

It's a mix of related ideas, certainly, to explain while I don't really have a strong opinion on the OP's statement. I was saying I would be unlikely to spend merits on Job Points as I spend them on HTBs. This statement was saying that even though I don't strongly support the OPs suggestion, I still think your argument was ridiculous.

My argument goes like this: the argument given for exchanging merits to JP is "I want". I contend that that is not a valid argument (which is why I put forth the quip about a Job Point button). I put forth that there is no precedence for the exchange (which is acceptable until a valid argument is given to change so). You on the other hand didn't put any valid arguments. So what is ridiculous is your reply.

In a manner, but you missed the entire point, you can't exchange exp for exp rings or for exp scrolls because it would be moot.

No it wouldn't. Don't know why you are thinking this unless you are situation biased with all jobs capped.

There are plenty of ways to change most forms of currency into gil, and even ways for you to exchange one type of currency into different denominations used for different things of it's own type which have different uses, and of course vouchers that change into most types of currency.

comparing apples and oranges. exp is not currency. and you used as an example changing currency into gil, gil is currency.

See the same argument when you say you can't exchange it for JP rings, or heck, could even say "You still had to use a Capacity Scroll, so no, you didn't exchange merit points for capacity.

correct, it's not exchanging merit points for capacity, it's exchanging it for CP scrolls/rings. Still doesn't mean one should be allowed to exchange merits for them. There is no precedence of exchanging merits for exp scrolls/rings, and as such there should be no exchanging of merits for CP scrolls/rings.

[Singforu]

Maybe exchange merits for CP pages then?

Can't exchange merits for exp pages, so no.