1 million subscribers

[Alhanelem]

Still waiting for those links.

Burden of proof is on you to back up your claims. It's not my responsibility. If you can't google it yourself and paste the link here, that tells me you don't have one.

Your comments have no validity until you back them up with sources.

You know, I've been through so many arguments on this forum where someone makes a radical claim without data or links to sources, and when I ask for them, they fail to deliver. It's a classic scenario, and I find it quite amusing to witness. It's up to the person making a claim to prove it. You can't expect your audience to go find the proof for you.

Until the proof is delivered, I'll be off enjoying my video games

[Kimble]

Still waiting for those links.

Burden of proof is on you to back up your claims. It's not my responsibility. If you can't google it yourself and paste the link here, that tells me you don't have one.

Your comments have no validity until you back them up with sources.

You know, I've been through so many arguments on this forum where someone makes a radical claim without data or links to sources, and when I ask for them, they fail to deliver. It's a classic scenario, and I find it quite amusing to witness. It's up to the person making a claim to prove it. You can't expect your audience to go find the proof for you.

Until the proof is delivered, I'll be off enjoying my video games

Or.... You can just google the information they are saying instead of getting a headache about it...lol... That's what I do.

[Alhanelem]

Or, you can go ahead and provide the proof to your claims Should be just as easy for you as you say it is for me.

You're not the first person to fail to back up their claims when I ask for proof, so dont feel bad.

[Pixela]

Still waiting for those links.

Burden of proof is on you to back up your claims. It's not my responsibility. If you can't google it yourself and paste the link here, that tells me you don't have one.

Your comments have no validity until you back them up with sources.

You can have a long wait then, I'm not going to baby feed you.

For anyone else reading this they can easily type the words I posted below into google and find the links.

"FINAL FANTASY XI has a robust community of 500,000 subscribers and more than 1.7 million player characters"
"Dragon Quest X 400k subscribers"

So as I said in OP, 1 million subscribers for all 3 titles. 300k for DQX, 100k-150k for FFXI and 550-600k for FFXIV.

Actually I was wrong, DQx peaked at 400k subs instead of 300k. Edited above accordingly.

FFXI is still very important, FFXIV is a modest success but the thing to take away is basically that XIV is not as big a deal as some thought and it's still the mmo division as a whole that is important to the shareholders and success of the company. I've seen some people post how they thought XI could shut down because XIV has millions of subs and is only 2nd to WoW, this shows that not to be the case and only combined do the sub numbers become noteworthy.

[Kimble]

You can have a long wait then, I'm not going to baby feed you.

For anyone else reading this they can easily type the words I posted below into google and find the links.

"FINAL FANTASY XI has a robust community of 500,000 subscribers and more than 1.7 million player characters"
"Dragon Quest X 300k subscribers"

So as I said in OP, 1 million subscribers for all 3 titles. 300k for DQX, 100k-150k for FFXI and 550-600k for FFXIV.

FFXI is still very important, FFXIV is a modest success but the thing to take away is basically that XIV is not as big a deal as some thought and it's still the mmo division as a whole that is important to the shareholders and success of the company. I've seen some people post how they thought XI could shut down because XIV has millions of subs and is only 2nd to WoW, this shows that not to be the case and only combined do the sub numbers become noteworthy.

Yeah, that's why I said he could have googled it instead of trying to be crabby about it.

[Alhanelem]

You can have a long wait then, I'm not going to baby feed you.

I'm not asking to be baby fed, I'm asking for proof of claims. You make claims, you have to provide proof. It's not my responsibility to prove your claims.

If you can paste the headlines, you can paste the links. Why is that so hard for you? Data without sources is useless, and I won't believe a word you say until you post links. You call it baby feeding, I call it making stuff up or refusing to prove claims.

Failiure to post links is faliure to prove your argument.

[Pixela]

Yeah, that's why I said he could have googled it instead of trying to be crabby about it.

He is too busy playing his games I guess :P

I'm not asking to be baby fed, I'm asking for proof of claims. You make claims, you have to provide proof. It's not my responsibility to prove your claims.

If you can paste the headlines, you can paste the links. Why is that so hard for you?

You're asking to be babyfed, anyone else can easily find all the information that proves you wrong from what I've provided. That's enough for me since you already know I'm right.

[Alhanelem]

You're asking to be babyfed, anyone else can easily find all the information that proves you wrong. That's enough for me since you already know I'm right.

If anyone can easily find it, so can you. I know you're wrong, and you are wrong until you prove otherwise.

It is up to the person making a claim to prove that claim is true. I'm not going to prove your claims for you. Call it whatever you want, you're still wrong til you prove otherwise.

Your claims would not hold up in a court, and they would not hold up here. If you're on trial and asked to produce evidence, you can't tell them to just google it.

just like every thread before this with unproven claims, it ends the same way- the claimant doesn't provide the proof. putting words in your opponents mouth doesn't help either.

I've seen some people post how they thought XI could shut down because XIV has millions of subs and is only 2nd to WoW, this shows that not to be the case and only combined do the sub numbers become noteworthy.

Just in case anyone thinks so, I've not made any claim of this sort, and I know full well the number on the lodestone was accounts not subs as I explained many times before. The only reason we have a problem in this thread is because you are unwilling to provide sources to back up your numbers, purely because you want to call the act of doing so some derogatory term when clearly you either 1) don't actually have sources, or 2) you're just too lazy to press CTRL V and CTRL P.

[Kimble]

If anyone can easily find it, so can you. I know you're wrong, and you are wrong until you prove otherwise.

It is up to the person making a claim to prove that claim is true. I'm not going to prove your claims for you. Call it whatever you want, you're still wrong til you prove otherwise.

Your claims would not hold up in a court, and they would not hold up here. If you're on trial and asked to produce evidence, you can't tell them to just google it.

just like every thread before this with unproven claims, it ends the same way- the claimant doesn't provide the proof. putting words in your opponents mouth doesn't help either.

lol @ you for such a statement!!! If you know s/he's wrong, where is your proof saying they are wrong?

[Alhanelem]

lol @ you for such a statement!!! If you know s/he's wrong, where is your proof saying they are wrong?

The proof is in the lack of proof submitted by the claimant. I cite all of his posts as proof because he hasn't provided any actual evidence to the contrary other than numbers he has refused to provide sources for. It

As soon as he provides the sources and I confirm they're valid, this thread will be over

it is the responsibility of the person making a claim to prove it. It is not the responsibility of the people challenging the claim to prove their opponent's argument is true, because that makes no logical sense whatsoever.

You keep trying to turn it around on me, but anyone with any logical sense will reject his claims until he provides the proof for them. Why should every reader have to google it? Any ordinary person who makes a claim and has proof can provide it and has no qualm about doing so. It is not "baby feeding" to prove your own argument. All you have to do is prove it and I'll believe it.