dagger ws too OP?

[Afania]

Thf isn't going to do 50k dmg on anything regardless of buffs or tp on something that isn't weak to physical/piercing and if we are going that route guess what I've seen groups that go 5 support 1 sam in yorcia delve because the sam can kill nms in 30 seconds. And a 2 step level 3 on a mob with higher level than you will only do 35% more dmg than the closing ws without some kind of magic weakness (not counting things like skillchain bonus obis elemental staffs etc) so that 99999 was a definite fluke

Since the previous setup I mentioned has a COR, you get additional 35% SC bonus from rolls. If you can somehow cap attack without /WAR(which seems doable with idris GEO 2hr COR etc), /DNC gives another 8%. 99999 isn't as out of reach as it seems.

Now I admit I don't hang with great sams much but I normally see the around 8k for kasha and 10-12k for fudo/Shoha (someone with better numbers can pipe in) but using those much lower ws numbers than rudra's a normal 5 step skillchain for sam would do 140k and be done in all of about 20-30 seconds and then if the mob is alive do it again.

Is that 10k~12k avg? If your SAM is averaging 10k~12k fudo/shoha, I'm not convinced that THF SATA 3000 TP is only 20~25k under the same buff on the same target. Since I've seen much higher SATA 3k TP rudra than 20k~25k on mobs without weakness, but in most of the situation SAM usually won't avg 10k~12k fudo/shoha unless a GEO 2hr or fighting wopket.

Btw, I'm not sure why's sam being pulled into this discussion again. I've been saying SAM SC mechanics needs a nerf over and over again, on BG and on this forum. There's no point to defend for the OPness of rudra by using SAM/fudo as an example. Both WS has serious design flaws that needs a nerf. You guys are trying to justify a flawed design with another flawed design.