dagger ws too OP?

[Atomic_Skull]

2H being ranked lower than 1H damage is just the direction that SE has decided to take with the game. If you don't like playing SAM or WAR nobody is stopping you from playing THF or DNC.

Hey wait a minute that sounds awfully familiar now doesn't it?

[Afania]

2H being ranked lower than 1H damage is just the direction that SE has decided to take with the game. If you don't like playing SAM or WAR nobody is stopping you from playing THF or DNC.

Hey wait a minute that sounds awfully familiar now doesn't it?

I don't play SAM, WAR, THF nor DNC. I'm just tired of our WS number gets bigger each update and every NM takes less and less time to die.

[FrankReynolds]

I don't play SAM, WAR, THF nor DNC. I'm just tired of our WS number gets bigger each update and every NM takes less and less time to die.

That's how the game has worked since day 1. Hard content gets easier over time. Then they release new hard content. You should have quit 10 years ago if this was ruining the game for you.

All your other arguments basically just boil down to wanting 1 handed jobs to suck because in your head 2 handers are better.

[Afania]

That's how the game has worked since day 1. Hard content gets easier over time. Then they release new hard content. You should have quit 10 years ago if this was ruining the game for you.

Hard content gets easier in every MMO....but only as ilv goes up or better gear release. In this game hard content gets much easier without getting higher ilv.

All your other arguments basically just boil down to wanting 1 handed jobs to suck because in your head 2 handers are better.

If you bother to read the discussion, you'd know that isn't the case at all. 1h jobs don't suck and they don't need to be the best DD in this game.

[Atomic_Skull]

If you bother to read the discussion, you'd know that isn't the case at all. 1h jobs don't suck and they don't need to be the best DD in this game.

I'm going to say the same thing that people have been telling me for 10 years when I complained that THF needed more damage. Play a 1H job if you hate 2H jobs that much.

And I won't lie after 10 years of THF being the butt monkey of FFXI 2H tears are delicious.

[Alhanelem]

I'm going to say the same thing that people have been telling me for 10 years when I complained that THF needed more damage. Play a 1H job if you hate 2H jobs that much.

And I won't lie after 10 years of THF being the butt monkey of FFXI 2H tears are delicious.

No job should be able to do 40-50k in one shot, whether it's THF or any other, and whether or not they've sucked for however long.

PUP had a one trick pony ability just like that and it got nerfed to hell, so I expect the same will happen here.

[PlumbGame]

No job should be able to do 40-50k in one shot, whether it's THF or any other, and whether or not they've sucked for however long.

PUP had a one trick pony ability just like that and it got nerfed to hell, so I expect the same will happen here.

What content is a THF doing 40-50k that doesn't have some sort of special circumstance? Thfs are not running around doing 50k to everything they see. Sorry.

[Malithar]

No job should be able to do 40-50k in one shot, whether it's THF or any other, and whether or not they've sucked for however long.

That's a Geo. Yeah, sure, retarded lengths were taken, 3000 TP, Bolster, Malaise, Acumen, and used while it was casting. More for the lawls. :P

The design of Thf, and rogue type jobs as a whole in most games, has always been burst damage. They attack fast, though typically for low damage, then then unleash Back Stabs, Ambushes, Sneak Attacks, combos, etc. You have to stop thinking of these instances in the sense of "omg 30-50k damage?!? OP!!" and look at how things have progressed. Some boss type NMs have 1+ million HP, properly executed SCs can do 20-50k+ themselves (though Sam is typically the only job capable/given credit of being capable of this), and perhaps largest of all, the difference between buffed DDs and unbuffed DDs. SE specifically said these changes were going into place to make 1 handed DDs competitive when they are poorly buffed. While I wouldn't advocate for it in game, I'd be interested in seeing spread sheet numbers of how Thf compares to other DDs when buffs are light/non-existent.

It's not so much that these instances are over powering, but rather that's the direction the game is going. All of this content is being made easy with these updates, jobs are being boosted to unprecedented degrees. Whether that's to make way for a new "easy mode" version of the game, or to give us these "fun" damage numbers only to re-balance us around them in the future is still to be seen.

WoW went through something very similar over the years. This last update, they "nerfed" everything, almost like starting over. I don't play so I don't know the details, but they felt that players doing 500k damage in a single attack was meaningless since you stopped paying attention to the numbers past the x00,000, the rest of the 0s were meaningless. Similar to that, when a character's HP was represented in the hundreds of thousands, there was a lot of numbers that didn't matter. So they reset everyone's stats (numbers) to a new meaningful number, and rebalanced around it. Maybe you logged on one day to find you had 15k HP instead of 500k HP, but you were no longer getting hit for 300k either, but maybe 6-7k. Maybe your Fireball now did 10k damage instead of 400k damage, but trash mobs still died in two of them, etc.

These numbers are a representation of power creep though, rather than singular instances of a job being broken. Maybe we'll all be pushing out total DPS like this in the not so distant future, but NMs will regularly have 5+ mil HP and such. I don't really mind, the game has been a sandbox MMO for a good long while now. We'll always have situations where job x, WS y, gear z is considered OP by the player base.

[dasva]

No job should be able to do 40-50k in one shot, whether it's THF or any other, and whether or not they've sucked for however long.

Here's lolbst with a magical ws that has mediocre stats when they don't even have access to hardly any mab




Also already said but need context on setup and content. And everyone can do 50k plus on the right content. Heck I was doing 60k+ before we even got to 99

[FrankReynolds]

Hard content gets easier in every MMO....but only as ilv goes up or better gear release. In this game hard content gets much easier without getting higher ilv.

That is so that players are adequately geared when the next level of content comes out. It's well documented in numerous dev posts.

If you bother to read the discussion, you'd know that isn't the case at all. 1h jobs don't suck and they don't need to be the best DD in this game.

Says you. There have been points in the game where dual wielding jobs were the preferred DD classes and there was nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with dual wield jobs being good DDs. You just prefer 2h jobs. That's your opinion. I've yet to see anything suggesting that 2 hand jobs being the best is in any way necessary or better in any way.