dagger ws too OP?

[Olor]

You say 1h DD bring other things to the table, but what you're not getting is that those things must have value to matter. No party leader cares about hate control, haste samba, waltzes, or pets because none of these things help in current content. I truly wish that weren't the case, but reality is reality. Their utility wasn't being utilized so they had to be given something beneficial that mattered. Damage is surely that.

Amen. Seriously, I don't see why people are crying about more jobs being usable in content. If this means people feel like they can invite a thf or a dnc instead of another SAM, well then, yay, awesome, more people can play the jobs they like best.

It's funny to see people saying this reduces job diversity after watching months of either MNK MNK MNK WHM BRD SCH or SAM SAM SAM WHM BRD SCH or RNG RNG PLD WHM BRD SCH or some such... seriously.

SAM is still good. Now other jobs are good too. Why cry about it?

[Afania]

Amen. Seriously, I don't see why people are crying about more jobs being usable in content. If this means people feel like they can invite a thf or a dnc instead of another SAM, well then, yay, awesome, more people can play the jobs they like best.

It's funny to see people saying this reduces job diversity after watching months of either MNK MNK MNK WHM BRD SCH or SAM SAM SAM WHM BRD SCH or RNG RNG PLD WHM BRD SCH or some such... seriously.

SAM is still good. Now other jobs are good too. Why cry about it?

I'm fine with ppl invite THF DNC instead of another SAM. I'm not fine with jobs that's designed to be DD, such as WAR DRK falls behind them.

[Nebo]

I'm fine with ppl invite THF DNC instead of another SAM. I'm not fine with jobs that's designed to be DD, such as WAR DRK falls behind them.

There's part of your problem there. THF and DNC are DD jobs. If you really want to get technical about it, WAR was "designed" to be a tank. Start the game with sword and shield, got JA's like provoke and defender.

THF, on the other hand, was the best DD in the game at release, for quite the same reason it's strong now.

That whole argument of "X job wasn't designed to be a DD" doesnt have any merit. DNC CAN throw out cures with TP but it cannot realistically main heal a party at a high level. It has a side utility in that regard. Just like DRK has Side utility in Black Magic, unique WS. WAR has Tank JA's, and Enfeebling WS, mastery over many weapon types etc.

[Afania]

There's part of your problem there. THF and DNC are DD jobs. If you really want to get technical about it, WAR was "designed" to be a tank. Start the game with sword and shield, got JA's like provoke and defender.

THF, on the other hand, was the best DD in the game at release, for quite the same reason it's strong now.

That whole argument of "X job wasn't designed to be a DD" doesnt have any merit. DNC CAN throw out cures with TP but it cannot realistically main heal a party at a high level. It has a side utility in that regard. Just like DRK has Side utility in Black Magic, unique WS. WAR has Tank JA's, and Enfeebling WS, mastery over many weapon types etc.

The point is that WAR can't really tank in endgame, enfeebling doesn't land very well AFAIK.

But TH and steps works just fine in endgame. I agree that waltz and enmity control are not useful, but TH and steps still makes a difference.

If they make WAR tank viable in endgame, at least WAR would have a legit reason to do less dmg, but it doesn't.

If they want to make DNC THF top DD, fine. Just remove steps and TH, for the sake of job balance.