dagger ws too OP?

[Nebo]

I don't understand

QFT

why can't rudra get a nerf.

Because it doesn't need one.

I haven't try this personally

See point one.

[Afania]

Because it doesn't need one.

I'm so posting 99999 darkness SC SS from rudras next time when I see one. Maybe I should make a THF rudras +SC one shot video as well.

[Atomic_Skull]

I don't understand why can't rudra get a nerf.

Because it's fine the way it is.

[Demonjustin]

I don't understand why can't rudra get a nerf.

Because it's fine the way it is.

If only explaining things were so simple.

[Afania]

3) Not just sam look how OP rng is let's ban trueflight too!!!

Malaise needs a nerf, yeah.

Because it's fine the way it is.

Lol, coming from someone with a "problem SAM?" and an epeen rudra SS in the signature, sounds pretty ironic to me.

[Zarchery]

Let's just make every attack, weapon skill, and spell in existence do the same amount of damage to every mob all the time. Then we will finally achieve true balance. There is no other way.

[dasva]

Of course in situations where SA/TA become difficult to use dps drops sharply

[dasva]

Meanwhile sams do that skillchaining except they 5 step and do it with no other DDs in the pt without need for 1hrs just constantly throwing out skillchains with no waits inbetween and have been doing so since the skillchain update

Also there is no way a thf thf cor combo is going to survive long enough to get that tp let alone be able to do ws anywhere near that powerful powerful with that lack of support on anything that worthwhile

[Afania]

Meanwhile sams do that skillchaining except they 5 step and do it with no other DDs in the pt without need for 1hrs just constantly throwing out skillchains with no waits inbetween and have been doing so since the skillchain update

Also there is no way a thf thf cor combo is going to survive long enough to get that tp let alone be able to do ws anywhere near that powerful powerful with that lack of support on anything that worthwhile

AFAIK 1 SAM 5 steps isn't going to do 600k dmg in 1.5 min, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though, since I don't play SAM.

I'm not sure what do you mean by THF THF COR, isn't going to "survive long enough" to get that much TP since you have 3 more PT spot for healer/support? I also tossed out a scenario to get TP with very little downtime: Enter the BC or pop the NM with 3000 TP, get 3000 TP again with wildcard.

[dasva]

AFAIK 1 SAM 5 steps isn't going to do 600k dmg in 1.5 min, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though, since I don't play SAM.

I'm not sure what do you mean by THF THF COR, isn't going to "survive long enough" to get that much TP since you have 3 more PT spot for healer/support? I also tossed out a scenario to get TP with very little downtime: Enter the BC or pop the NM with 3000 TP, get 3000 TP again with wildcard.

Thf isn't going to do 50k dmg on anything regardless of buffs or tp on something that isn't weak to physical/piercing and if we are going that route guess what I've seen groups that go 5 support 1 sam in yorcia delve because the sam can kill nms in 30 seconds. And a 2 step level 3 on a mob with higher level than you will only do 35% more dmg than the closing ws without some kind of magic weakness (not counting things like skillchain bonus obis elemental staffs etc) so that 99999 was a definite fluke

Normal numbers for 3000 SA or TA rudra's without dmg weaknesses are more like 20-25k. Hell I barely get 60k (admittedly not the best geared) in abyssea against piercing weak mobs with +100% crit dmg atmas on stuff I know I'm capping attack on. So a rudra rudra skillchain assuming you can actually get both of them SA and/or TA (in a fight of any length this might require unengaging for a short time to allow the other thf to definitely have hate) you'd expect a total dmg about 80k. More if you can obviously throw in some extra buffs/debufs with other support or like I think you were suggesting having the cor start the skillchain so the first rudra's does dark and the 2nd does double dark (not counting the cor dmg that would be more like 130k)

Now I admit I don't hang with great sams much but I normally see the around 8k for kasha and 10-12k for fudo/Shoha (someone with better numbers can pipe in) but using those much lower ws numbers than rudra's a normal 5 step skillchain for sam would do 140k and be done in all of about 20-30 seconds and then if the mob is alive do it again. And since you only need 1 dd could easily throw another support in there like say smn for crystalline blessing tp bonus to up that dmg a lot. And this is just delve gkt without any special jas being used someone with Kogarasumaru could do much better and when they are up things like meditate, Sengikori, and Hagakure will greatly increase dmgs all on 3 min timers

The survive thing was because you were seeming to imply just 2thf + cor was going to wreck stuff which it wont