dagger ws too OP?

[Vinedrai]

I don't understand why most people are so adamant against DDs being able to dish out identical amounts of damage. In the worst case scenario, one or two jobs will still have very slightly more potential in a given situation than the rest and will be prioritized. How is that any different than the current situation in the end? On the bright side however, people would get to enjoy more jobs. I am afraid that the dev team isn't capable of achieving that, considering their current policy of "let's dish out some ridiculous buffs and hope people relate", but why bash people who wish for that?

Edit: They were never good at job balancing, forcing players to go with the most foolproof setups to save time and resources. They chose the easy route and basically told players to deal with it, instead of prioritizing job balance and encouraging them to try out different setups. I know it isn't an easy task, there are too many jobs etc. but who would rather see, for example, chocobo racing updates while one job shits all over the rest.

[Alhanelem]

I don't understand why most people are so adamant against DDs being able to dish out identical amounts of damage. In the worst case scenario, one or two jobs will still have very slightly more potential in a given situation than the rest and will be prioritized. How is that any different than the current situation in the end? On the bright side however, people would get to enjoy more jobs. I am afraid that the dev team isn't capable of achieving that, considering their current policy of "let's dish out some ridiculous buffs and hope people relate", but why bash people who wish for that?

Edit: They were never good at job balancing, forcing players to go with the most foolproof setups to save time and resources. They chose the easy route and basically told players to deal with it, instead of prioritizing job balance and encouraging them to try out different setups. I know it isn't an easy task, there are too many jobs etc. but who would rather see, for example, chocobo racing updates while one job shits all over the rest.

League of legends has like 150+ characters and that game is better balanced than this.

[PlumbGame]

I don't understand why most people are so adamant against DDs being able to dish out identical amounts of damage. In the worst case scenario, one or two jobs will still have very slightly more potential in a given situation than the rest and will be prioritized. How is that any different than the current situation in the end? On the bright side however, people would get to enjoy more jobs. I am afraid that the dev team isn't capable of achieving that, considering their current policy of "let's dish out some ridiculous buffs and hope people relate", but why bash people who wish for that?

Edit: They were never good at job balancing, forcing players to go with the most foolproof setups to save time and resources. They chose the easy route and basically told players to deal with it, instead of prioritizing job balance and encouraging them to try out different setups. I know it isn't an easy task, there are too many jobs etc. but who would rather see, for example, chocobo racing updates while one job shits all over the rest.

This basically. Back in the days I found the "inbalance" was ok imo, because you didn't have this content scaling etc, that made people only want to bring 6 people, but 6 of the best jobs, but also because of the design of the game then, every job seemed to have use in some situation. The direction of the game though I feel has changed that and I feel every job should be balance equally, which I'm hoping this last update is an indication of that direction they are going by doing so.

[mekia]

THF and DNC are now equal with other DD's. I actually see THF's and DNC's do events now and not just SAM SAM SAM MNK. Very good update which thfs needed since 2004.

[Afania]

THF and DNC are now equal with other DD's. I actually see THF's and DNC's do events now and not just SAM SAM SAM MNK. Very good update which thfs needed since 2004.

Of course THF, BLU and DNC are happy, of course WAR and DRK(the real DDs) aren't. IMO that's just wrong. Making certain jobs OP so they get invite is not the same as balance. Making every job has a use is the real balance. By making THF DNC BLU OP isn't going to accomplish that goal.

This basically. Back in the days I found the "inbalance" was ok imo, because you didn't have this content scaling etc, that made people only want to bring 6 people, but 6 of the best jobs, but also because of the design of the game then, every job seemed to have use in some situation. The direction of the game though I feel has changed that and I feel every job should be balance equally, which I'm hoping this last update is an indication of that direction they are going by doing so.

This last update didn't achieve job balance, just because THF DNC BLU get invite because they deal more dmg than WAR and DRK, doesn't mean it's balanced.

Or that One hand jobs getting a DPS boost that they desperately needed somehow invalidates 2 Hander DD?

Yes, unless you want to play "I get invite on WAR because I don't care about my dmg" card as well.

[Nebo]

Of course THF, BLU and DNC are happy, of course WAR and DRK(the real DDs) aren't.

lol Afania, get over yourself. THF DNC BLU ARE DD jobs. If you want to argue that WAR and DRK are behind the eight ball now, fine. They've been massively behind SAM for a long time now also.

There is so much wrong in most of your posts....I'm just done arguing with you. It's like trying to convince a brick wall to magically transform into a toaster...using only your words.

Enjoying blissful ignorance.

[Camiie]

As a WAR I'm happy. Did a Tenzen fight the other day. My friend went THF and I went WAR/NIN using Axe/Sword. I parsed right behind her. Now I'm sure some will pop on here and start lobbing insults about us personally or our gear or the content we chose to do. Anyone who wants to do so can just go ahead and f--- themselves. The point is we both came on the jobs we wanted to come on, we had fun, and we came real close to the record. Is that not how the game is supposed to work?

[Afania]

lol Afania, get over yourself. THF DNC BLU ARE DD jobs. If you want to argue that WAR and DRK are behind the eight ball now, fine. They've been massively behind SAM for a long time now also.

And now they're behind THF DNC BLU. I don't understand why you think THF DNC BLU parse top is right, WAR DRK doesn't parse top isn't. WAR and DRKs are DD jobs as well. But the only argument you had was "WAR DRK've been behind SAM for a long time, just let them be."

As a WAR I'm happy. Did a Tenzen fight the other day. My friend went THF and I went WAR/NIN using Axe/Sword. I parsed right behind her. Now I'm sure some will pop on here and start lobbing insults about us personally or our gear or the content we chose to do. Anyone who wants to do so can just go ahead and f--- themselves. The point is we both came on the jobs we wanted to come on, we had fun, and we came real close to the record. Is that not how the game is supposed to work?

How you have fun and how you play your job wasn't the point of this discussion though. You can play the DD RDM, DD BRD, DD GEO or DD WHM if you have fun and want to. I don't think anyone would care to stop you from playing DD X jobs.

I'm saying that WAR should parse higher than DNC THF BLU, not the other way around. Whether you get invite or not on WAR or how you have fun on WAR was not the point. You kept playing the personal experience card because your friend accepts a DD that does less dmg, that doesn't apply to everyone. We all want to play the job we want to play, and the fact is I haven't seen one single WAR DRK in endgame for months, most of my LS mate that used to play WAR DRK already bandwagon SAM since fudo update and now they bandwagon THF, and they still don't play WAR and DRK.

[Byrth]

I have a pretty well geared DNC and have gotten to go DNC to party content only a handful of times in the last two years. The worst part is that the few times I did go DNC, the party would have been better off if I was on another job. Even now I'm only able to make a marginal argument for DNC over melee-BRD, but at least I'm finally able to make that argument.

As far as DNC goes, you're dramatically overstating the importance and viability of Steps. They're great in a subsection of content where fight times are long, the monsters have very high defense, and you can stack them with other forms of defense down. The rub is that any job can sub DNC and provide steps (like a melee Bard), so you're not really talking about "steps" as much as "steps level 6-10." Steps Level 6-10 are only viable in even longer fights and only matter when the monsters have even higher defense. Basically, it was perfectly reasonable to not want a DNC in your party for the vast majority of content back when we weren't very competitive as DDs.

As far as TH goes, I did go THF much more often than DNC over the last 2 years, but I rarely asked for THFs when leading groups.

[dasva]

Even as far as defense goes you have other option which while in different slots add up to enough that steps shouldn't matter. I mean geo + drg + light shotted dia is already -95% def. I doubt there is any nm in the game that you'd need more def down and even if you did /dnc can take you all the way to 100%