dagger ws too OP?

[Nebo]

You get it all wrong, if a THF can do same dmg as WAR, anyone with THF and WAR equally geared would have to play THF, unless the target resists piercing or unless that person has personal preference toward 1 specific job. Nothing has changed.

You are the one getting it all wrong lol. There is no reason to force anyone to come THF. You don't need a THF at all to get meaningful TH levels. If your group leader doesnt understand how useless high TH levels are, you don't need more than one THF to get THF main level TH.

This is also glancing over all the events where TH is not relevant...and the only other thing of value a THF can possibly bring is damage.

I don't understand. Are you saying you only ever bring one DD to events? Or that One hand jobs getting a DPS boost that they desperately needed somehow invalidates 2 Hander DD?

[Comeatmebro]

directly multiplying your result, even at a minimal level, is far from useless

as much as idiots love to quote 'sandung < atoyac, you lose a greater fraction of your damage than the increase to your drops' and the ilk, there are much less easily measurable benefits available(because you most likely arent spamming that mission bc back to back with capped merits, you're doing one run with the people you shouted for, a miniscule chance at an extra drop can provide more benefit than finishing 3 seconds sooner)

but when there's no sacrifice, afania is right, there's no reason to choose a comparable DD without TH..

[Vinedrai]

I don't understand why most people are so adamant against DDs being able to dish out identical amounts of damage. In the worst case scenario, one or two jobs will still have very slightly more potential in a given situation than the rest and will be prioritized. How is that any different than the current situation in the end? On the bright side however, people would get to enjoy more jobs. I am afraid that the dev team isn't capable of achieving that, considering their current policy of "let's dish out some ridiculous buffs and hope people relate", but why bash people who wish for that?

Edit: They were never good at job balancing, forcing players to go with the most foolproof setups to save time and resources. They chose the easy route and basically told players to deal with it, instead of prioritizing job balance and encouraging them to try out different setups. I know it isn't an easy task, there are too many jobs etc. but who would rather see, for example, chocobo racing updates while one job shits all over the rest.

[Nebo]

directly multiplying your result, even at a minimal level, is far from useless

as much as idiots love to quote 'sandung < atoyac, you lose a greater fraction of your damage than the increase to your drops' and the ilk, there are much less easily measurable benefits available(because you most likely arent spamming that mission bc back to back with capped merits, you're doing one run with the people you shouted for, a miniscule chance at an extra drop can provide more benefit than finishing 3 seconds sooner)

but when there's no sacrifice, afania is right, there's no reason to choose a comparable DD without TH..

People say Atoyac > Sandung A: Becuase it is true lol, and B because you can cap gear TH witohut using a dagger at all. There is literally no good reason to use a Sandung once you have TH gear.

And the scenario you and Afnia are describing does not exist. The delusion now that THF & DNC > all DD's is wrong. The delusion that THF's are crapping out 30K Rudra's non stop is wrong. The delusion that people will replace all DD's in a party with a THF to "cap TH" is ludicrous.

The plain fact is daggers got a DPS buff becuase they needed one. The one thing I will agree with is that there is less of a reason to bring another DD over a THF ...or vice versa. The fact that there is no reason NOT to bring a THF in a dps slot is the entire point of all this. You seem to think that is a bad thing. You are mistaken.

You have the option to invite whichever DD responds to your shout now. You have more viable DD options today than you did before the update. If you are a group leader this is good news. And if you are getting responses for DD shouts saying "o/ WAR" and your response to that is "Nah bro I'm stacking THF"...you're an idiot.

[Alhanelem]

I don't understand why most people are so adamant against DDs being able to dish out identical amounts of damage. In the worst case scenario, one or two jobs will still have very slightly more potential in a given situation than the rest and will be prioritized. How is that any different than the current situation in the end? On the bright side however, people would get to enjoy more jobs. I am afraid that the dev team isn't capable of achieving that, considering their current policy of "let's dish out some ridiculous buffs and hope people relate", but why bash people who wish for that?

Edit: They were never good at job balancing, forcing players to go with the most foolproof setups to save time and resources. They chose the easy route and basically told players to deal with it, instead of prioritizing job balance and encouraging them to try out different setups. I know it isn't an easy task, there are too many jobs etc. but who would rather see, for example, chocobo racing updates while one job shits all over the rest.

League of legends has like 150+ characters and that game is better balanced than this.

[PlumbGame]

I don't understand why most people are so adamant against DDs being able to dish out identical amounts of damage. In the worst case scenario, one or two jobs will still have very slightly more potential in a given situation than the rest and will be prioritized. How is that any different than the current situation in the end? On the bright side however, people would get to enjoy more jobs. I am afraid that the dev team isn't capable of achieving that, considering their current policy of "let's dish out some ridiculous buffs and hope people relate", but why bash people who wish for that?

Edit: They were never good at job balancing, forcing players to go with the most foolproof setups to save time and resources. They chose the easy route and basically told players to deal with it, instead of prioritizing job balance and encouraging them to try out different setups. I know it isn't an easy task, there are too many jobs etc. but who would rather see, for example, chocobo racing updates while one job shits all over the rest.

This basically. Back in the days I found the "inbalance" was ok imo, because you didn't have this content scaling etc, that made people only want to bring 6 people, but 6 of the best jobs, but also because of the design of the game then, every job seemed to have use in some situation. The direction of the game though I feel has changed that and I feel every job should be balance equally, which I'm hoping this last update is an indication of that direction they are going by doing so.

[mekia]

THF and DNC are now equal with other DD's. I actually see THF's and DNC's do events now and not just SAM SAM SAM MNK. Very good update which thfs needed since 2004.

[Afania]

THF and DNC are now equal with other DD's. I actually see THF's and DNC's do events now and not just SAM SAM SAM MNK. Very good update which thfs needed since 2004.

Of course THF, BLU and DNC are happy, of course WAR and DRK(the real DDs) aren't. IMO that's just wrong. Making certain jobs OP so they get invite is not the same as balance. Making every job has a use is the real balance. By making THF DNC BLU OP isn't going to accomplish that goal.

This basically. Back in the days I found the "inbalance" was ok imo, because you didn't have this content scaling etc, that made people only want to bring 6 people, but 6 of the best jobs, but also because of the design of the game then, every job seemed to have use in some situation. The direction of the game though I feel has changed that and I feel every job should be balance equally, which I'm hoping this last update is an indication of that direction they are going by doing so.

This last update didn't achieve job balance, just because THF DNC BLU get invite because they deal more dmg than WAR and DRK, doesn't mean it's balanced.

Or that One hand jobs getting a DPS boost that they desperately needed somehow invalidates 2 Hander DD?

Yes, unless you want to play "I get invite on WAR because I don't care about my dmg" card as well.

[Camiie]

As a WAR I'm happy. Did a Tenzen fight the other day. My friend went THF and I went WAR/NIN using Axe/Sword. I parsed right behind her. Now I'm sure some will pop on here and start lobbing insults about us personally or our gear or the content we chose to do. Anyone who wants to do so can just go ahead and f--- themselves. The point is we both came on the jobs we wanted to come on, we had fun, and we came real close to the record. Is that not how the game is supposed to work?

[Nebo]

Of course THF, BLU and DNC are happy, of course WAR and DRK(the real DDs) aren't.

lol Afania, get over yourself. THF DNC BLU ARE DD jobs. If you want to argue that WAR and DRK are behind the eight ball now, fine. They've been massively behind SAM for a long time now also.

There is so much wrong in most of your posts....I'm just done arguing with you. It's like trying to convince a brick wall to magically transform into a toaster...using only your words.

Enjoying blissful ignorance.