Two-Handed WS Update?

[Afania]

Nobody likes nerfs, but sometimes they are necessary for good balance.

This, I'm not sure why'd everyone enjoy massive dmg boost without scaling up the difficulty of the content. It's not exactly fun to finish the content faster than original design. Fudo is already OP, buffing 2h weapon for even more OP fudo is just....absurd.

[Numquam]

How about old magical BLU spells. I miss spamming Cursed Sphere.

[Orestes]

This is very true. The first WS update made current end-game content almost a joke with SAM's. If SE had never touched Fudo, and left SC damage alone, things would've been a lot more balanced overall.

The same could be said for Rudras. It makes no sense why they even touched it.

[Afania]

This is very true. The first WS update made current end-game content almost a joke with SAM's. If SE had never touched Fudo, and left SC damage alone, things would've been a lot more balanced overall.

The same could be said for Rudras. It makes no sense why they even touched it.

To summarize the job buff history in past 2 years:

SE over buffed SAM because every pt used to MNK x3 for everything, since MNK did good dmg and has good survive-ability with high HP. So they said they're buffing every DD jobs to be competitive to MNK. Then they made SAM OP so every pt invite SAM instead of MNK. Then 1h jobs complained about not getting invite as DD so they over buffed THF DNC and BLU as well. SE also over buffed GEO because GEOs complained about the lack of invite.

Every once a while certain jobs gets super OP buff and became bandwagon jobs, I wonder which job gonna win the lottery ticket next.

[Ulth]

To summarize the job buff history in past 2 years:

SE over buffed SAM because every pt used to MNK x3 for everything, since MNK did good dmg and has good survive-ability with high HP. So they said they're buffing every DD jobs to be competitive to MNK. Then they made SAM OP so every pt invite SAM instead of MNK. Then 1h jobs complained about not getting invite as DD so they over buffed THF DNC and BLU as well. SE also over buffed GEO because GEOs complained about the lack of invite.

Every once a while certain jobs gets super OP buff and became bandwagon jobs, I wonder which job gonna win the lottery ticket next.

As the one-handed weapon adjustments just took place very recently, we would like to monitor the balance between them and two-handed weapons for a while before we look into two-handed weapon adjustments.

Furthermore, as mentioned during Freshly Picked Vana’diel 14, the team would first like to prioritize pet and elemental magic adjustments.

Are you just not reading posts? Looks like pet jobs are next followed by black mage.

You keep saying OP, but OP compared to what? Oh no now more jobs can be used instead of the only perfect set ups that were allowed before, how will we survive in this terrifying new world.

If the old way was the only job that could be used was mnk, then sam was added, and now thf, dnc, and blu, aren't they taking steps in the right direction?

Also geo has not been over buffed, brd has them beat by a mile.

[Afania]

Also geo has not been over buffed, brd has them beat by a mile.

Tbh I can't continue this job balance discussion with you after reading this statement. Since how you view the word OP seems completely different from mine.

[Ulth]

Tbh I can't continue this job balance discussion with you after reading this statement. Since how you view the word OP seems completely different from mine.

Does OP not mean overpowered to you? If one job has less power than the other how is it overpowered but the other not? Or is your point both brd and geo are overpowered and fucking everything is overpowered and everything needs nerfed, because if that is your point then you should try some higher level content. Maybe hand in some KI and get to incursion level 143.

[Afania]

Does OP not mean overpowered to you? If one job has less power than the other how is it overpowered but the other not? Or is your point both brd and geo are overpowered and fucking everything is overpowered and everything needs nerfed, because if that is your point then you should try some higher level content. Maybe hand in some KI and get to incursion level 143.

I don't really understand what are you trying to say here, and I don't think you get what I mean. Are you trying to say "if you think the NM in endgame content dies too fast you should do incursion 143?". IMO incursion 143 isn't even relevant in this discussion since it doesn't give real reward....AFAIK ilv130 gives better loot/hr.

I also don't understand how'd BRD beat GEO by miles. Idris is probably one of the most OP weapon in this game.

You keep saying OP, but OP compared to what? Oh no now more jobs can be used instead of the only perfect set ups that were allowed before, how will we survive in this terrifying new world.

If the old way was the only job that could be used was mnk, then sam was added, and now thf, dnc, and blu, aren't they taking steps in the right direction?

I didn't say THF DNC BLU shouldn't get invite, they should. But I think WAR and DRK should do more dmg than THF DNC and BLU. I think THF DNC and BLU should be able to get invite without the need to do top dmg, while certain jobs such as WAR DRK MNK SAM gets invite by doing top dmg.

If THF DNC BLU doesn't get invite due to the lack of dmg, then it's dev's job to fix that by giving them useful abilities. But atm WAR DRK seems quite behind other jobs, and they generally don't get invite, unless your friend let you play them if you want to play the personal experience card.

So IMO, that's not the right direction.

I also have to point out, your statement "If the old way was the only job that could be used was mnk, then sam was added," was completely incorrect. Before Fudo update both MNK and SAM were used, after fudo update it was SAM or bust. That fudo update made any none SAM DD less desirable.

[Ulth]

I don't really understand what are you trying to say here, and I don't think you get what I mean. Are you trying to say "if you think the NM in endgame content dies too fast you should do incursion 143?". IMO incursion 143 isn't even relevant in this discussion since it doesn't give real reward....AFAIK ilv130 gives better loot/hr.

I also don't understand how'd BRD beat GEO by miles. Idris is probably one of the most OP weapon in this game.



I didn't say THF DNC BLU shouldn't get invite, they should. But I think WAR and DRK should do more dmg than THF DNC and BLU. I think THF DNC and BLU should be able to get invite without the need to do top dmg, while certain jobs such as WAR DRK MNK SAM gets invite by doing top dmg.

If THF DNC BLU doesn't get invite due to the lack of dmg, then it's dev's job to fix that by giving them useful abilities. But atm WAR DRK seems quite behind other jobs, and they generally don't get invite, unless your friend let you play them if you want to play the personal experience card.

So IMO, that's not the right direction.

Do you think they won't increase the damage of WAR and DRK? You said it yourself that they were increasing the damage of all jobs to be comparable to mnk.

[Afania]

Do you think they won't increase the damage of WAR and DRK? You said it yourself that they were increasing the damage of all jobs to be comparable to mnk.

It's not that I'm worry about they're not buffing WAR and DRK, it's about the relative balance.

Even if they increase WAR and DRK's dmg to MNK lv, it's still not enough. They need to be stronger than THF BLU DNC to deserve a DD spot.

And if they buff WAR DRK stronger than THF BLU DNC, that means current endgame content gets even less challenging(interesting).

Unless ilv goes up by another 50, it seems like a wrong direction to make every content THAT easy.

You can argue that incursion 143 is still hard, but it also doesn't give any meaningful reward since lower lv incursion still drops same loot.

SE should have just nerf fudo/SC dmg/rudra IMO.