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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    I'm glad that by the wording of that, the main focus is adjusting up the dmg on two handed weapons rather than undoing the glorious boost to dagger. Thanks
    You're reading too far into that. Largely because it is in no way a promise that they arent' going to adjust the ridiculously OP Rudra's.

    Not every balance problem should be fixed (and in fact most should not) by turning everything else up to match the power of something that is more effective than intended. That's a terrible balancing policy - It leads to severe power creep issues and it is possible that eventually you get to a point where there's simply no room to adjust things upward anymore because of a long chain of buffing everything else to the most powerful thing every time you discover a balance issue.

    Nobody likes nerfs, but sometimes they are necessary for good balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    Nobody likes nerfs, but sometimes they are necessary for good balance.
    This, I'm not sure why'd everyone enjoy massive dmg boost without scaling up the difficulty of the content. It's not exactly fun to finish the content faster than original design. Fudo is already OP, buffing 2h weapon for even more OP fudo is just....absurd.
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    This is very true. The first WS update made current end-game content almost a joke with SAM's. If SE had never touched Fudo, and left SC damage alone, things would've been a lot more balanced overall.

    The same could be said for Rudras. It makes no sense why they even touched it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orestes View Post
    This is very true. The first WS update made current end-game content almost a joke with SAM's. If SE had never touched Fudo, and left SC damage alone, things would've been a lot more balanced overall.

    The same could be said for Rudras. It makes no sense why they even touched it.
    To summarize the job buff history in past 2 years:

    SE over buffed SAM because every pt used to MNK x3 for everything, since MNK did good dmg and has good survive-ability with high HP. So they said they're buffing every DD jobs to be competitive to MNK. Then they made SAM OP so every pt invite SAM instead of MNK. Then 1h jobs complained about not getting invite as DD so they over buffed THF DNC and BLU as well. SE also over buffed GEO because GEOs complained about the lack of invite.

    Every once a while certain jobs gets super OP buff and became bandwagon jobs, I wonder which job gonna win the lottery ticket next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
    To summarize the job buff history in past 2 years:

    SE over buffed SAM because every pt used to MNK x3 for everything, since MNK did good dmg and has good survive-ability with high HP. So they said they're buffing every DD jobs to be competitive to MNK. Then they made SAM OP so every pt invite SAM instead of MNK. Then 1h jobs complained about not getting invite as DD so they over buffed THF DNC and BLU as well. SE also over buffed GEO because GEOs complained about the lack of invite.

    Every once a while certain jobs gets super OP buff and became bandwagon jobs, I wonder which job gonna win the lottery ticket next.
    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    As the one-handed weapon adjustments just took place very recently, we would like to monitor the balance between them and two-handed weapons for a while before we look into two-handed weapon adjustments.

    Furthermore, as mentioned during Freshly Picked Vana’diel 14, the team would first like to prioritize pet and elemental magic adjustments.
    Are you just not reading posts? Looks like pet jobs are next followed by black mage.

    You keep saying OP, but OP compared to what? Oh no now more jobs can be used instead of the only perfect set ups that were allowed before, how will we survive in this terrifying new world.

    If the old way was the only job that could be used was mnk, then sam was added, and now thf, dnc, and blu, aren't they taking steps in the right direction?

    Also geo has not been over buffed, brd has them beat by a mile.
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    Last edited by Ulth; 12-26-2014 at 03:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulth View Post
    Also geo has not been over buffed, brd has them beat by a mile.
    Tbh I can't continue this job balance discussion with you after reading this statement. Since how you view the word OP seems completely different from mine.
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    Last edited by Afania; 12-26-2014 at 03:21 AM.

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    Player Ulth's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
    Tbh I can't continue this job balance discussion with you after reading this statement. Since how you view the word OP seems completely different from mine.
    Does OP not mean overpowered to you? If one job has less power than the other how is it overpowered but the other not? Or is your point both brd and geo are overpowered and fucking everything is overpowered and everything needs nerfed, because if that is your point then you should try some higher level content. Maybe hand in some KI and get to incursion level 143.
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