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    Player FrankReynolds's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shirai View Post
    Mind rewording this, because I have absolutely no clue what you mean by this.
    Depending on the defense etc. of the mob, accuracy begins to have diminishing returns in comparison to strength, crit rate, attack, etc. dual wield jobs have a harder time capping attack in particular on harder mobs, so when your accuracy is decent (80% - 85%ish) it is more beneficial to use food or gear that pushes things other than accuracy. That's why you see people eating attack food in events even though they aren't capped on accuracy. Just hitting the monster isn't enough. You have to do good damage with those hits.

    Additionally, only applying the increased cap means that any accuracy food, gear etc. that you apply to get from 90 - 95% has no effect on the off hand. In other words, you are better off not worrying about trying to hit 95% on anything but steps. It really doesn't do much for the damage phase.

    DISCLAIMER: This varies from monster to monster / event to event. I'm just generalizing. this isn't always true.
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    I don't think it's intended. I think they thought it was impossible. Like the case about the 143 incursion. I also agree that it is pretty unfortunate. That plan doesn't sound like thinking outside the box. The buffs on the DDs isn't enough, give them more buffs. Still is impressive though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulth View Post
    I don't think it's intended. I think they thought it was impossible.
    Then they don't know their top tier players, and their patience and persistence.
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    Last edited by Shirai; 12-03-2014 at 05:16 AM.

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    hmmmm anyone remember more than a few years back and a certain chair demon shirai >.>, im pretty sure se added him believe it impossible to kill.... im alittle foggy but i think some shell fought it for like 15 hours or something, after that... yea...
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    Well, Until SMN gets a BP that increases ACC at a reliable rate, I doubt we'll see too much action. The Hastega II might help us as we can be teamed up with a BRD then and they give ACC and us give haste, but a 3/4 Song bard will always win. I was also disheartened to see that Diamond Storm is far weaker at lvl 90 when we get it than Distract I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeargi View Post
    Well, Until SMN gets a BP that increases ACC at a reliable rate, I doubt we'll see too much action. The Hastega II might help us as we can be teamed up with a BRD then and they give ACC and us give haste, but a 3/4 Song bard will always win. I was also disheartened to see that Diamond Storm is far weaker at lvl 90 when we get it than Distract I.
    Depends on the fight. For mobs that have really high dmg abilities that normally one shot non pld/runs EA+Scherzo is a popular and faster alternative to rng + pld strats. Depending on potency I could also see Crystalline Blessing and Pacifying Ruby being rather popular buffs as well. That with hastega II I could definitely see smn becoming a rather buff heavy job... even more so if they improve favor some more and they keep adding pet DT gear
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    Quote Originally Posted by dasva View Post
    Depends on the fight. For mobs that have really high dmg abilities that normally one shot non pld/runs EA+Scherzo is a popular and faster alternative to rng + pld strats. Depending on potency I could also see Crystalline Blessing and Pacifying Ruby being rather popular buffs as well. That with hastega II I could definitely see smn becoming a rather buff heavy job... even more so if they improve favor some more and they keep adding pet DT gear
    True, but most people are afraid to try out strategies outside the norm. More people ask for Marchesx2 until it's known that people can't hit, then it shifts to Madrigals. Which that in of itself is 45+ ACC(Not counting extras from equipment). COR which is 40, and I believe 55 with a RNG, but that's also on a lucky roll. GEO I don't know, because I haven't skilled it up high enough to know the full extent, but I'm sure it's on par with both of those. SMN's ACC BP... 25+ and only on Full Moon. Hastega II is a big step in the right direction, but it's the lack of giving ACC to the party that'll keep them out, even with the boost to Avatar Acc... Still it's baby steps, baby steps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeargi View Post
    True, but most people are afraid to try out strategies outside the norm. More people ask for Marchesx2 until it's known that people can't hit, then it shifts to Madrigals. Which that in of itself is 45+ ACC(Not counting extras from equipment). COR which is 40, and I believe 55 with a RNG, but that's also on a lucky roll. GEO I don't know, because I haven't skilled it up high enough to know the full extent, but I'm sure it's on par with both of those. SMN's ACC BP... 25+ and only on Full Moon. Hastega II is a big step in the right direction, but it's the lack of giving ACC to the party that'll keep them out, even with the boost to Avatar Acc... Still it's baby steps, baby steps.
    Well I doubt they will make smn all the way good a buffer as actual buffing jobs since it isn't one. Sure they might not get much acc (though when combined with -evasion move are comparable to cor) but they are getting plenty other stuff and like you mentioned most people don't even pay attention to acc in the first place. A lot of it just convincing people to try new strategies
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    Quote Originally Posted by dasva View Post
    A lot of it just convincing people to try new strategies
    Can you come to talk to the people on my server. K, Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeargi View Post
    Can you come to talk to the people on my server. K, Thanks
    Sure once I convince more people over here lol. Took me a couple of weeks to convince people of using height difference on avatars and that's a strategy back from when they originally came out lol
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