[dev1242] Question about the Accuracy update

[Afania]

PLD and RUN should have much higher HP. They are tanks.

And NIN

Depending on the defense etc. of the mob, accuracy begins to have diminishing returns in comparison to strength, crit rate, attack, etc. dual wield jobs have a harder time capping attack in particular on harder mobs, so when your accuracy is decent (80% - 85%ish) it is more beneficial to use food or gear that pushes things other than accuracy. That's why you see people eating attack food in events even though they aren't capped on accuracy. Just hitting the monster isn't enough. You have to do good damage with those hits.

What the....stop giving misleading info, thanks. 80%-85% hit rate isn't acceptable at all, and that's why PUG DDs parse low because they think they're ok with that, the fact is it isn't. Your hit rate directly affects your WS frequency, if you're not doing WS fast enough or miss a lot of WS, no crit-hit rate/attack/STR can save you.

[Shirai]

This sound good I like it. Time for Dancer and Thief to shine =)!

Don't expect too much of an increase in this direction, the accuracy buff only counts on stuff where your accuracy is capped already, and only for the main hand.
You should lay your biggest hopes on the buffs that the weapon skills are getting, really.

[Catmato]

Additionally, it will not be applied to one-handed weapons that you equip in the off-hand slot.

Why? Why are you so afraid of dual-wielders?

[Shirai]

Thanks, that's all I wanted to know.

[Ulth]

Well Dancer and Thief tend to sub War, Nin, or Run, so they get some hp that way. I would much rather have evasion tweaked so it would actually be useful. Maybe lower the accuracy of AoE attacks against players who don't have hate.

[Crevox]

the accuracy buff only counts on stuff where your accuracy is capped already

Are you ever doing content where your accuracy isn't capped? That's like the first thing you do when it comes to stats, and the first thing that is resolved with buffs if necessary.

[Shirai]

Are you ever doing content where your accuracy isn't capped? That's like the first thing you do when it comes to stats, and the first thing that is resolved with buffs if necessary.

I can think of a couple of things, High level Incursion comes to mind, and sure buffs solve a lot but you get to a point where in the conventional setups the buffs won't compensate for the rise of evasion meaning that you need to add more support roles.
Adding an extra support means you're going to have to get rid of another role, which usually ends up being the weaker DDs.
As jokingly said elsewhere (FFXIAH I believe) your level 135+ incursion DD party setup may end up looking like the following:
Samurai - Bard - Summoner - Geomancer - Corsair - White Mage

Another situation is doing D/VD High level battlefields with pugs, when you don't have an army of corsairs and bards (mules) standing outside to buff the living crap out of the group before they go in.
Although gear can compensate a lot, without meaning to sound too mean, a lot of people don't carry more than your cookie cutter TP and WS sets and start raining cold sweat at the mention of Accuracy gearsets.

But yes, on most content:

[FrankReynolds]

Even if you can cap accuracy on most things, there comes a point where you are better off spending the gear, buffs, food etc. on other stats instead like attack and haste spells. The guy with the best accuracy isn't always at the top of the parse. And 5% is still a nice buff.

[Ulth]

Yeah, the amount of accuracy needed to cap on some content is getting ridiculous. Some how I doubt this is what people had in mind when they wanted more support jobs relevant for end game. Pretty sure they meant it like you could use a brd or a geo, not that you would need a brd and a geo, and a smn, and a rdm, and some more geos...

[Shirai]

Even if you can cap accuracy on most things, there comes a point where you are better off spending the gear, buffs, food etc. on other stats instead like attack and haste spells.

Mind rewording this, because I have absolutely no clue what you mean by this.

Yeah, the amount of accuracy needed to cap on some content is getting ridiculous. Some how I doubt this is what people had in mind when they wanted more support jobs relevant for end game. Pretty sure they meant it like you could use a brd or a geo, not that you would need a brd and a geo, and a smn, and a rdm, and some more geos...

I think it's intended, at some point conventional setups won't work anymore and you're going to have to start thinking outside the box to be able to beat certain content.
Which unfortunately boils down to bringing the best damage dealers you have and buffing the crap out of them.