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    World Mergers

    Yes, I have been playing for years on Leviathan. And I've noticed over the last few months, one Saturday, 6-8pm my times which is central, should be prime american play time. There are only 800 people on, I am asking to please consider doing some server mergers. Cause as it stands, there is almost no reason for me to play the game, no one is ever on.
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    Problem is the population of the Japanese is still healthy, might be time for regional servers or something because the EU population is equally dead on Shiva, American isn't much healthier.
    Only real way to get anything done is to have 2-5 friends still interested enough in the game to meet regularly and do content (3-6 is more than enough for anything as it stands).
    While I wanna see mergers too, I doubt they'll happen until the Japanese population is unhappy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suikoboj View Post
    Yes, I have been playing for years on Leviathan. And I've noticed over the last few months, one Saturday, 6-8pm my times which is central, should be prime american play time. There are only 800 people on, I am asking to please consider doing some server mergers. Cause as it stands, there is almost no reason for me to play the game, no one is ever on.
    Only 800? How many people do you want online at once? o.O

    You have to make a better argument than "only 800!", 800 is a heck of a lot of people.

    If they did a merge and there were 1400 on at your prime time that is still less than 5 years ago so how will 1400 be better than 800? If you have issues at 800 they will still exist at 1400.

    All merges really do is add more issues while fixing none of the bad, I've been though merges and they didn't fix anything. They did however make more people quit due to the negatives of a merge.
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    Problem is that a sizeable portion of those 800 people are either JP, of which a large portion utterly refuse to interact with anyone else. And a large chunk is taken up by inactive mules, do a search in jeuno and the adoulin cities, I wouldn't be surprised if 300-400 of that 800 can be accounted for there.

    I doubt much is going to fix the dwindling population issues, a flat out merge I agree probably isn't the best idea but perhaps offering regional servers could help to bring those playing in similar time zones together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caradog View Post
    Problem is that a sizeable portion of those 800 people are either JP, of which a large portion utterly refuse to interact with anyone else. And a large chunk is taken up by inactive mules, do a search in jeuno and the adoulin cities, I wouldn't be surprised if 300-400 of that 800 can be accounted for there. I doubt much is going to fix the dwindling population issues, a flat out merge I agree probably isn't the best idea but perhaps offering regional servers could help to bring those playing in similar time zones together.
    FFXI has always been this way, nothing you stated is new.

    The problem is no new content + a portion of players that think they can do everything via shouts. Something that is totally alien to FFXI.
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    I know none of its new but it becomes an ever increasing problem in a dwindling population.

    Not really sure if there's any way to fix the problem in the long run, we're getting a fair amount of content at the moment but its all either simply reskinned old content or fairly easy to get through in a week, think Square-Enix have just used up a lot of their credibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixela View Post
    FFXI has always been this way, nothing you stated is new.

    The problem is no new content + a portion of players that think they can do everything via shouts. Something that is totally alien to FFXI.
    I don't mean to sound rude, and I don't mean this in an attack against you personally. However, whenever someone mentions anything that glaringly sucks about FFXI, it's pretty much guaranteed that diehards come out to defend it by saying, "FFXI has always been this way".

    Ex:
    1. Horrible server population management causing issues with content completion: Always been this way.
    2. "Role balance" being used instead of fair job balance: Always been this way.
    3. Prohibitive metagame with extremely difficult progression walls for new players: Always been this way.
    4. Horrible economy management and obscure gil income methods: Always been this way.


    Those are just to list a few complaints that come up frequently. With respect to a few exceptions, this game DOES NOT appeal to new players largely because of the reasons above. FFXI is shrinking because of it, probably irrevocably so at this point. Unless SE makes serious efforts to address these concerns and actually listens to the players' frustrations, people will just stop playing it. And the remaining number of subscribers will just get smaller and smaller.

    I've played FFXI for years, and there are a few things that I really enjoy about it. But I get extremely fed up with the progression in the game. I want to play any content I want with my job of choice, so my biggest complaint is SE's idea of "Job Balance". I sometimes return to the game usually out of nostalgia and interest to see if the problems have been fixed, but they never really are... So I can never resubscribe for more than maybe a month. There are just WAY better and more rewarding MMOs to play out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peepiopi View Post
    I don't mean to sound rude, and I don't mean this in an attack against you personally. However, whenever someone mentions anything that glaringly sucks about FFXI, it's pretty much guaranteed that diehards come out to defend it by saying, "FFXI has always been this way".

    Ex:
    1. Horrible server population management causing issues with content completion: Always been this way.
    2. "Role balance" being used instead of fair job balance: Always been this way.
    3. Prohibitive metagame with extremely difficult progression walls for new players: Always been this way.
    4. Horrible economy management and obscure gil income methods: Always been this way.


    Those are just to list a few complaints that come up frequently. With respect to a few exceptions, this game DOES NOT appeal to new players largely because of the reasons above. FFXI is shrinking because of it, probably irrevocably so at this point. Unless SE makes serious efforts to address these concerns and actually listens to the players' frustrations, people will just stop playing it. And the remaining number of subscribers will just get smaller and smaller.

    I've played FFXI for years, and there are a few things that I really enjoy about it. But I get extremely fed up with the progression in the game. I want to play any content I want with my job of choice, so my biggest complaint is SE's idea of "Job Balance". I sometimes return to the game usually out of nostalgia and interest to see if the problems have been fixed, but they never really are... So I can never resubscribe for more than maybe a month. There are just WAY better and more rewarding MMOs to play out there.
    He was saying that JP players won't play with English speaking players and that a lot of people afk. I was saying this isn't new, the game has always been the same.

    The only real reason people want merges is because they check numbers and without taking into account that a lot of people are actually online at once they simply compare one number to another. A merge won't fix the real issues people have that are asking for merges, it will just make more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixela View Post
    He was saying that JP players won't play with English speaking players and that a lot of people afk. I was saying this isn't new, the game has always been the same.
    I don't think that server merges alone could fix the game, at this point it would take hardware and software upgrades so that we cease to run into instancing issues, one of the biggest problems with a larger population causing problems is that the vast bulk of content is instanced and only allows a limited number of groups in at once - Salvage/Sky bcnms/Delve etc

    At the same time, I do think server populations are at an all time low, and merging the servers could help as long as steps are taken to alleviate problems caused by the above. Its hard to ignore that shouts are at an all time low and while not suitible for everything, most the fodder content could easily be cleared by a few well aimed shouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixela View Post
    He was saying that JP players won't play with English speaking players and that a lot of people afk. I was saying this isn't new, the game has always been the same.

    The only real reason people want merges is because they check numbers and without taking into account that a lot of people are actually online at once they simply compare one number to another. A merge won't fix the real issues people have that are asking for merges, it will just make more.
    I gotcha. I do agree that there is definitely a disconnect between JP and EN players. I really wish that wasn't the case, but language barriers are language barriers. And I totally agree that simply merging the worlds wouldn't fix the main issues with the game, but I don't know if it would make more. More people playing together means more opportunities (Assuming that the servers are re-optimized for larger populations).

    With that said though, I think all of the games issues (including language barrier problems) could be resolved through more aggressive updates with the game, which we all can agree probably won't ever happen. For example, there's a lot of coding that needs to be cleaned up and the game really needs a more intuitive interface. In regards to the language issue, I'm sure that could be improved by a more user-friendly emote and ping system. Emphasize visual communications rather than typed/macro'd. We can give that a big Fat Chance sticker though.

    And if you're looking for players to complete endgame content, the 800 server population really is a pretty stinky number when you consider that big chunks of that are attributed to:

    - People that we don't share a common language with (Not as big of a deal for JP players at their peak times)
    - Multi-boxers
    - AFK Bazaars
    - RMT (Not as huge of an issue now as it used to be and I haven't seen any bots, but I assume there are still some bots running around)
    - Lowbies
    - 99s with insufficient gear to clear the event.

    All but the RMT makes up part of the server population that can't be used when putting together groups for events. Now if SE managed the servers so that they had 5-10k players, then the increased activity would mean more communication, more events, and more economy stimulation.

    I agree that merging the servers would't be a panacea but it would certainly improve the gameplay.
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