Treasure Caskets

[Randnum]

Assume there is a 10% chance of getting something you want.

At least one in every ten people will get that item on the first try, and never complain. They may even be realistic and call themselves lucky.
Another one in every ten people will get that item on the second try. If you started with 1000 people, you now have 810 people left who don't have the item yet.

After the seventh or so item, by most probability, over half the people have their item. Those 50% of people now consider getting the item either easy or reasonable.

After the eleventh 'try', approximately 30% of people still have nothing. These are the people who start to complain but hey, some people aren't as lucky.

Double that to 22 tries, there's still 1 in 10 people that have nothing. These people have spent over 20 times as long trying to get the item as the lucky people.

Around 30 tries there's still that one person in 25 who still has nothing.

It takes around 44 tries to get it down to where around 99% of people have their item. If you started with 1000 people, that's still 10 people who have been trying for probably hours and have nothing.

Pure luck drops for really good R/EX stuff is seldom a nice system. And that's with 10% chances. Even with 10% chance, there's still those 10 people in 1000 that have something to come here and complain about.

I'm not saying they're right, but sympathy might sometimes be in order. And the comment: "i don't know if you just don't have a mind capable of logic that can efficiently open the caskets or what, but urdoingitwrong." might as well be "I don't know if I have a mind capable of logic and maths or not but I will act like you are doing it wrong anyway."

[Protey]

I'm not saying they're right, but sympathy might sometimes be in order. And the comment: "i don't know if you just don't have a mind capable of logic that can efficiently open the caskets or what, but urdoingitwrong." might as well be "I don't know if I have a mind capable of logic and maths or not but I will act like you are doing it wrong anyway."

you obviously didn't pay attention to what i wrote in the second sentence. I got ALL of the torques x2 (since you like math... that's 18 torques). Attempting twice for each type of torque, that's 18 tries. And EVERY one was done in 4 days or less with an average of a torque a day. I can do math/logic very well and is why I have about 99% open rate (once in awhile the clue says nothing gained) with 6 choices and about 90% open rate with 5 choices.... you, however, do not pay attention.

Months for one torque (or whatever rare/ex item he is attempting to get) is not deserving of sympathy. There is something wrong with the person attempting.

[Randnum]

you obviously didn't pay attention to what i wrote in the second sentence. I got ALL of the torques x2 (since you like math... that's 18 torques). Attempting twice for each type of torque, that's 18 tries. And EVERY one was done in 4 days or less with an average of a torque a day. I can do math/logic very well and is why I have about 99% open rate (once in awhile the clue says nothing gained) with 6 choices and about 90% open rate with 5 choices.... you, however, do not pay attention.

Months for one torque (or whatever rare/ex item he is attempting to get) is not deserving of sympathy. There is something wrong with the person attempting.

Wow that is... amazing...

Where does the OP imply that they aren't getting chests to drop?

Where do they imply that they aren't getting the chests to open?

The math and logic I refer to have nothing to do with 'opening chests is actually hard'.

It has to do with the fact that if the droprate of torques from chests is 2%, there's that 1 in 100 person that takes 200+ chests to get theirs.

And that person comes on the forums and posts about it.

Then someone like you goes 'there's something wrong with you because probability should work for everyone', basically.

Maybe they aren't good at opening chests, but you don't know that. The only thing you could argue that I wasn't paying attention to was the fact that you took what I assumed to be hyperbole (it taking literal months) seriously...

[Protey]

Wow that is... amazing...

Where does the OP imply that they aren't getting chests to drop?

Where do they imply that they aren't getting the chests to open?

The math and logic I refer to have nothing to do with 'opening chests is actually hard'.

It has to do with the fact that if the droprate of torques from chests is 2%, there's that 1 in 100 person that takes 200+ chests to get theirs.

And that person comes on the forums and posts about it.

Then someone like you goes 'there's something wrong with you because probability should work for everyone', basically.

Maybe they aren't good at opening chests, but you don't know that. The only thing you could argue that I wasn't paying attention to was the fact that you took what I assumed to be hyperbole (it taking literal months) seriously...

That's your problem, you assumed. All we have to go on is what he said in the OP, logic, and statistics. There is obviously something wrong if he takes months to raise prowess. Even if it is an exaggeration, he didn't say weeks, he didn't even say days. I know I can cap prowess in under a day, and that's all prowess possibilities.

And please stop making stuff up. The question of "Where does the OP imply that they aren't getting chests to drop?" Where does this even come from? I didn't talk about drop rate of chests until this post. Now one might be able to argue that the OP himself is implying that chests aren't dropping with the "confined to raise Prowess for months", one might also be able to argue that he isn't getting the chests open with: "Treasure caskets rare items are taking way too long to get, a relic weapon could be completed just as fast when luck runs out." But that second one is somewhat of a stretch which is why you're right I don't know if he is good at opening chests or not and why I said in my first post: "i don't know if you just don't have a mind capable of logic that can efficiently open the caskets or what, but urdoingitwrong. "

As to your argument that it takes 200+ chests to get theirs.... it doesn't take long to get 200+ chests. Even if you got one every five minutes (that's incredibly slow rate), it'd only take about 17 hours to get those 200 chests. That's nowhere near months or even as he put in his OP the time it takes to make a relic. But that's you not paying attention again. Just like your last statement... I argued more than just what you assumed to be hyperbole, I argued against your post of "And the comment: "i don't know if you just don't have a mind capable of logic that can efficiently open the caskets or what, but urdoingitwrong." might as well be "I don't know if I have a mind capable of logic and maths or not but I will act like you are doing it wrong anyway."

If you're going to argue against me, at least have the decency to not make stuff up and pay attention to what is said.