Very low supply of HMP, Riftcinder and Riftdross

[Feary]

if s.e would allow us 200 capacity points per kill on Tier 6 jeuno and t3 zilart/tav, i would call it day.

stop being lazy and start making runs to farm. the mats and emp upgrades is very nice gil + merits + curor(for cells).

each alliance gets at least 20 hmps per run/ ive seen 200+ in 6 kills. hell, ive brought/farmed and sold over 300 this week, they go like hot cakes averaging only hour-ish a day.


1500 hmps is not much of anything, 30k alex is much harder, tbh.

only reason its difficult because no one is motivated to do the content. when a server has 1-2 shout per day, and 6-9 ppl want to buy hmps at any current price, its going to low in demand.

[Shirai]

Uh, what?
200 plates in 6 kills? I'm not sure which universe you live in because even in the unlikely situation where every member of the alliance gets a plate each kill I still come to only 108.

[pim-ptarutaru]

um i've done about 15x2 this week and got only 50 its all about that dumb thing they got luck...
Im not lazy to do the content as im going to keep going at it to get this bow done. just getting 1500 is a pain in the ass.

[Feary]

if you are doing pil and kaggan for hmp farming(which is highly idiotic), yeah 50 per ally per run is dumb luck. on those 6 runs can net an alliance 5-15 average.

however, um yes 50-200 per alliance on for example uptala or qilin or even morta on a lucky day per alliance is very feasible.

hell ive gotten 5 riftcinder in one mortax6 run. yes that is stupid crazy luck and i dont expect that to happen to anyone again, however we wont have any chance of anything if ppl dont do the content appropriately.

yes it would be nice if they would update the tiers or reforge the gear because its nice to have new content. however, updating this content so that we have incentive to kill these nms for hmps is ridiculous. we should already be grinding out. the server, has to grind vwnms just like we grind the zones of dynamis or salvage. Doing 12 kills per server per day is nothing. wanting to complete you're emps are enough of a motivator to shout of get group together. 8-12 119 players are more than enough to do a run on any of these nms.

at this stage of a ffxi it is structured so that everyone should be striving for at least 1 relic, 1 emp and 1 mythic.

one thing to also look at is do you have the periapts and upgraded atmacite? are you useing rubicund and colbalt cells.

hell i make good gil on synth mats i get from vwnm. stuff that you probably just leave in the chest/ toss or npc when they sell on the ah for a few thousand. it adds up, and then 1 run gets me enough gil to buy one more hmp.

[Kincard]

I have no idea where you're getting your numbers from. Selecting that one time a ton of plates dropped doesn't really prove anything.

One thing you are right about is that the higher tiers are definitely better for farming HMP specifically, but people do those a lot less nowadays because they lose out on the chance for reforging mats which are also chances for gil anyway (and for someone actively working on a weapon, like you pointed out, gil = more plates).

HMPs off Pil and his partners is about 33%.
Pouches off Qilin and his partners is about 6%.
Morta and the like drop HMPs at about 15% if you're generous, and about 4% cinder and 2% dross (those two are inverted depending on the NM)

Pouches give 3~15 plates so even if you were in an alliance of 18 and every single pouch you got gave 15, you'd get like 97 plates on average given that 6% drop rate. Morta's a different story altogether since you nobody goes there for plates anyway.

I really think they should do something with all that voidwatch gear we slaved away to get, but I think recently they did say they'd like to move away from reforging stuff.

[raps1355]

They really do need to fix this as ppl arent blitzing VW how it was when it was the only relevant content. We need a global point system or event that can be traded in / spammed to work toward a specific goal items at a reasonable pace. No content should become harder/longer because ppl have moved on. The time spent should remain static at all times.

As a side note farming jeuno T3's is more efficient as you will get at least 2 out 6 plates per run and its not uncommon to get 4-6 plates in a run whereas a pouch drops on average 1 in 5-6 runs. So you have 6 runs @ 2-6 plates vs 6 runs for a pouch and when you open this pouch you will land 7-8 plates on average so 12 plates worst case > 7-8. Its just not worth gambling for that extra 3 plates.

And yes we have all had those runs where we get 4 pouches but lets be realistic we have all done 10+ runs and not had a pouch. Long term you are better off on J3's Any other mats you get are just bonus and is not the real reason you are there.

Time wise kaggen is the best one provided you have a dispeller as akvan tends to barricade procs with magic shield and ppl still seem to fail at removing pil's shield and turning him b4 doom.

Remember 350% red only and 3 rubicunds only. Have fun

[Feary]

i dont know how you think my entire post is based of the one time i was lucky.

my numbers are coming from doing the content on multiple accounts(up to 4 of my own plus feedback) for multiple years and from mulitple players/linkshells who would farm vw.

although imo and experience drops are better than this.

if 1 person per kill got 1 pouch and that pouch was only 3 hmps. x6 kills that would be 18 hmps.

which is where i get 15.

although ffxidb drop information is not correct since everyone in the party is not posting results to the collective. however, i will go with your numbers of 33 percent and 6 because it will be received as the best information we have.

even looking at with your info, as 18 individual chests x 6 kills = 108 chances of a pouch drops. at 33% for pil. you are looking at 35 plates. i said 5-14 which i think is more reasonable.

6 pouches = 18-90 plates. which i said up to 200 as i can see why you dont agree.


either way hmps arent going to become more available unless ppl do the content and not complain that is there is no incentives when there clearly are. gil/exp/cruor (and possible capacity points ) and updating your own weapons should be enough. if there is update it should be to gear and not the rate of hmps drops

im tired going to bed.

[Demonjustin]

although ffxidb drop information is not correct since everyone in the party is not posting results to the collective.

I'm curious, why do you think this leads to inaccuracies in FFXIDB's drop information?

[bungiefanNA]

I'm curious, why do you think this leads to inaccuracies in FFXIDB's drop information?

For one, everyone must be running Windower or Ashita with a plugin loaded that monitors the drops and submits them to the database. That means console users are automatically excluded from the statistics.

[detlef]

For one, everyone must be running Windower or Ashita with a plugin loaded that monitors the drops and submits them to the database. That means console users are automatically excluded from the statistics.

Are you suggesting that the game has different drop rates depending on your system? Or are you saying that console and pc users cap lights/use cells in a different way?