Where is the Dual Wield adjustment?

**Triston** · 10-11-2014 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Metaking

getting more DW gear isnt really the issue all the dw jobs can get the 36% dw needed to cap delay (assuming gear and magic haste are caped), the problem is dw can hurt you. Sadly because its not possible for the server to figure out when you have to much DW it makes most other ideas short of converting part of Dw to jobability haste kinda not work

My interpretation of Camate's post would be that the dev team would release gear with LESS DW on it, so as to give players more leeway before running into the delay cap. And by "adjustments to equipment with dual wield bonuses," I would assume that means taking existing equipment with DW on it, reducing that DW slightly and replacing that stat budget with... say, Store TP and Haste. They would of course have to leave DW on accessories or restrict these changes to light armor only, so as to not give the 2h jobs even more sources of Store TP to work with, but it should help the 1handers.

**Byrth** · 10-11-2014 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Camate

Alrighty, I checked with the development team to see if they have anything else planned in terms of dual wield adjustments since they experienced technical difficulties with the previously announced idea.

It seems like at the moment they are looking into making adjustments to equipment with dual wield bonuses, and moving forward they would like to set equipment stats while paying special attention to the issue at hand. Apologies that there isn’t much more information at the moment, but rest assured they are looking into it and once there is more information available I’ll be sure to share!

Thanks!

In order to properly compensate, we'll need a variety of equipment equipment with -20~30% Dual Wield.

**Metaking** · 10-11-2014 11:34 AM

well unless they do something like "converts DW to haste II" it wont help, cuz 99% of dw's are well over the 25.~% haste cap, and excluding blu with clubs or a job dwing hand axes most weapons are to low of tp gain a hit for stp (without bing obseanly high) to have much effect. I guess you do something like Dw+10 Delay +10% type things as well >.>;

**Ulth** · 10-12-2014 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by Metaking

well unless they do something like "converts DW to haste II" it wont help, cuz 99% of dw's are well over the 25.~% haste cap, and excluding blu with clubs or a job dwing hand axes most weapons are to low of tp gain a hit for stp (without bing obseanly high) to have much effect. I guess you do something like Dw+10 Delay +10% type things as well >.>;

Dual Wield lowers delay which lowers the amount of tp you get per swing. That's why people switch their gear so they have the least amount of dual wield they need depending on how much haste they get. Something with dual wield +10 and delay +10% would cancel each other out.

I do have an idea to deal with the tp problem of dual wield jobs that would be easy to write in if Camate wants to pass it along. All they would have to do is write in a minimum value that you can get from an attack, so after a point it doesn't matter how low your delay goes.

**Atomic_Skull** · 10-12-2014 05:45 AM

Bring back the TP floor. Removing it was an terrible idea from the time when SE's idea of "fixing" jobs that needed help was to nerf the jobs that were actually good. In fact I'd say that this is one of the crown jewels of awful ideas from that time.

Originally Posted by Ulth

I do have an idea to deal with the tp problem of dual wield jobs that would be easy to write in if Camate wants to pass it along. All they would have to do is write in a minimum value that you can get from an attack, so after a point it doesn't matter how low your delay goes.

Interesting that you should say that because this is how it actually used to work before the TP floor nerf back in 2006. You always got 5TP per hit no matter how low your delay was. But then ~~DRKs~~ 2H jobs whined constantly about ~~MNK and NIN~~ 1H TP gain so SE decided to "solve" the issue by nerfing 1H TP gain instead of you know, actually fixing the problem.

I think they need to ease back a little on the multi hit WS TP nerf as well. Getting full TP per hit was silly but nerfing it to 1TP per hit was typical SE overreaction. It should have been proportional to your delay with an upper ceiling to prevent MNK abuse of the relic knuckles (which was the original target of the nerf)

**Kincard** · 10-12-2014 01:27 PM

The knee-jerk reaction of every player that posts on the OF and kept demanding that they stop nerfing jobs and just constantly give players more power is exactly why years after Abyssea lots of things that should've been nerfed have not been, especially Ochain, Aegis and Daurdabla. When it came time early-Adoulin for them to try outdating RMEs (before the great RME butthurt of 2013) they actually recognized how stupidly broken Ochain/Aegis/Daurdabla were and decided that that would be the "cap" on how strong shields and instruments get. It's probably also the reason why Geomancer (and to a lesser extent RDM and COR) gets buff after buff so that it can actually hope to keep up with BRD.

As for bringing back the TP floor, I don't really think that'll help a lot considering how they upped one hander TP gain by quite a bit, and one handers don't necessarily reach for the low delay weapons like they did in the past sometimes. Dual Wield- gear is probably a good option at this point since that gives more power of customization to the player, and hell, isn't that a big reason why we play XI instead of some other MMO anyway? The only problem with that is that it would make inventory bloat even worse for Dancers especially, so personally I think they should still go with the whole "make dual wield not reduce TP" thing if they can solve whatever technical issue they ran into, it's not like that would suddenly break Ninjas or something, and also it makes it more intuitive for players that can't be bothered to constantly check how much buff haste they have.

**Atomic_Skull** · 10-12-2014 01:59 PM