Avatar's Favor still lackluster

[Malithar]

So you're saying the values reported are lower then what they actually are? Cause that sounds pretty awkward, can't remember a situation anytime in the history of the game where the stats we see from effects are incorrect. I mean, for example, Titan gives +87 defense on our screen, how are we to know if he's actually giving +100?

To be frank, this sounds like the whole Automaton being able to Protect itself situation all over again. If we're unable to see the correct values, then could you possibly get information from the dev team concerning what the current max buff values are? I mean hard values too. Not "it's been increased" as we're assured it has, without anyway to visibly see such.

[Acacia]

Hello, everyone.

Thanks for all the testing and data. I’ve been talking to the development team in an effort to solve this topic in question. The team did some further testing and found that Avatar’s Favor is working as intended, but it seems like the values being shown through the client are not being reflected. Since displaying these value variations up-to-the-second would place a large amount of stress on the servers and it would also take a lot of resources to change how the client functions, we do not have any plans at the moment to make adjustments to this.

Please rest assured that the effects are being granted to your characters properly and also keep in mind that the /checkparam command should show you the stats more quickly than the equipment screen.

No, you are still mistaken. I've tested and tested and tested again. Nothing at all has changed.

Titan's Favor with 433 Summoning Skill (No horn) = Max bonus of DEF+67
Titan's Favor with 503 Summoning Skill (No horn) = Max bonus of DEF+72
Titan's Favor with 518 Summoning Skill (No horn) = Max bonus of DEF+77
Titan's Favor with 564 Summoning Skill (No horn) = Max bonus of DEF+77

Those are the same tiers and the same max values as before the update and I checked with /checkparam and with the equipment menu. The frequency of the value updates is of no relevance at all, I waited for 20min and the max bonus was still capped at the same values. Unless you mean that the max bonus does go higher then DEF+77 but it will NEVER display that value?

[Crevox]

We're using checkparam, we're using the equip window, everything. Heck, even the Regen effect from Carbuncle is not changing. If he's healing us for the same in both situations, then there is no bonus.

There's no way that could be misinterpreted or stats could not be showing up in a case like that.

[Shirai]

Camate, please.
This is getting embarrassing, we are using measurable values and are comparing them with values that have been known for a very long time, we know how to measure them!.
Please take it from the playerbase that if we say that nothing has changed, just maybe nothing has changed.

While I am not a big fan of playing the whole Paying customer part, if you keep telling us off like that while we have numbers to proof that you're wrong I will start filing formal complaints against you and the development team.
And yes, I know where to place them. Not here.

Sincerely,

Someone that is losing his patience and understanding.

[Acacia]

We're using checkparam, we're using the equip window, everything. Heck, even the Regen effect from Carbuncle is not changing. If he's healing us for the same in both situations, then there is no bonus.

There's no way that could be misinterpreted or stats could not be showing up in a case like that.

Good call, I'm not sure why I didn't think of just testing with Carbuncle's Favor:

Carbuncle's Favor with 433 Summoning Skill (No horn) = Max bonus of Regen+16
Carbuncle's Favor with 503 Summoning Skill (No horn) = Max bonus of Regen+18
Carbuncle's Favor with 518 Summoning Skill (No horn) = Max bonus of Regen+20
Carbuncle's Favor with 564 Summoning Skill (No horn) = Max bonus of Regen+20
Carbuncle's Favor with 558 Summoning Skill (With horn) = Max bonus of Regen+24

Those are the same tiers and the same max values as before the update...

@Shirai... A formal complaint, really? Come on, it's a video game, don't be silly.

[Shirai]

@Shirai... A formal complaint, really? Come on, it's a video game, don't be silly.

I'm not.
As I said, I am not a fan of the whole "Mah munneh" part, but I don't like to be lied to either.
And at this point I really feel like we're being lied to.

Either they provide evidence, or they admit that nothing happened, I won't accept this answer.

[Acacia]

I'm not.
As I said, I am not a fan of the whole "Mah munneh" part, but I don't like to be lied to either.
And at this point I really feel like we're being lied to.

I highly doubt it's intentional. It's entirely possible it's a bug that's just not showing up on the developers' machines so they think it's working fine. I'm a software engineer myself and I'm always surprised how many times I find a bug in a release build that doesn't show up in a debug build. Providing evidence and facts in order to help them to solve the problem is helpful, threatening is not, especially this early in the discussion. You have to remember that Camate isn't a developer, he's just providing a channel of communication between us and the developers. I'm sure it takes time for him to communicate (including translation) with them, for them to test and then to get a response back.

[Rakshaka]

I highly doubt it's intentional. It's entirely possible it's a bug that's just not showing up on the developers' machines so they think it's working fine. I'm a software engineer myself and I'm always surprised how many times I find a bug in a release build that doesn't show up in a debug build. Providing evidence and facts in order to help them to solve the problem is helpful, threatening is not, especially this early in the discussion. You have to remember that Camate isn't a developer, he's just providing a channel of communication between us and the developers. I'm sure it takes time for him to communicate (including translation) with them, for them to test and then to get a response back.

Agreed; this situation requires patience and understanding. Camate, if possible, it would help us greatly if we had specific information on the new tiers, including the required smn skill level, and even just a couple of the new values that we can expect from this higher tier. That way we can compare what the devs expect vs what we're actually seeing in game. After that, the devs could figure out why the numbers are different. Titan's favor would be the best one to test, as the difference in tiers is obvious to detect as I'm sure everyone's surmised.

[Glamdring]

what we need is for the devs to get off the test servers and start testing things in real live play on real servers, without all the testing tools that allow them to adjust things and test various things out. get on REAL characters on REAL content with REAL players and see what the REAL end results of their work are. Because as players that's all we really care about, the end results, not the theories of where the devs would like for things to go, but where the players actually take them.

[Genoxd]

Hello, everyone.

Thanks for all the testing and data. I’ve been talking to the development team in an effort to solve this topic in question. The team did some further testing and found that Avatar’s Favor is working as intended, but it seems like the values being shown through the client are not being reflected. Since displaying these value variations up-to-the-second would place a large amount of stress on the servers and it would also take a lot of resources to change how the client functions, we do not have any plans at the moment to make adjustments to this.

Please rest assured that the effects are being granted to your characters properly and also keep in mind that the /checkparam command should show you the stats more quickly than the equipment screen.

The numbers I posted are from /checkparam

Again. You did NOT buff Avatar's Favor.