Job points, Merit points.

[Tidis]

all i hear from this entire thread is "waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh". stop it already

This seems to be your common response to people complaining about the JP system, from what little research I did, I found you as a player have 3 mythics, 7 relics and 3 empyreans, you must realise you don't stand for the average player when you shoot people down everytime they have genuine complaints about capacity points, the average player probably has 1 or 2 relics maybe an empyrean or 2 (only at 90 maximum) and certainly no mythics.

The only reason I will criticise here is that despite seemingly falling under the hardcore category of player you are instantly dismissing the opinions of others who may fall under the casual category and not getting enjoyment out of the capacity points system.

[Protey]

This seems to be your common response to people complaining about the JP system, from what little research I did, I found you as a player have 3 mythics, 7 relics and 3 empyreans, you must realise you don't stand for the average player when you shoot people down everytime they have genuine complaints about capacity points, the average player probably has 1 or 2 relics maybe an empyrean or 2 (only at 90 maximum) and certainly no mythics.

The only reason I will criticise here is that despite seemingly falling under the hardcore category of player you are instantly dismissing the opinions of others who may fall under the casual category and not getting enjoyment out of the capacity points system.

what genuine complaint. your analysis is flawed as well. i actually pointed out that casual players can get enjoyment out of the capacity points system, even those not in SoA. capacity points are SOLOABLE. so what if you don't get them as fast as others, you're a casual player, that's what you get for being casual. to expect a casual player to have what someone who puts in way more time/effort does is ridiculous. they will eventually have it, it will just take longer. And if people want to get them faster on w/e job they want.... guess what. they can go form their own parties and enter incursion. Do stuff for yourself people, geez. stop expecting things to be given to you.

[Protey]

This seems to be your common response to people complaining about the JP system, from what little research I did, I found you as a player have 3 mythics, 7 relics and 3 empyreans, you must realise you don't stand for the average player when you shoot people down everytime they have genuine complaints about capacity points, the average player probably has 1 or 2 relics maybe an empyrean or 2 (only at 90 maximum) and certainly no mythics.

The only reason I will criticise here is that despite seemingly falling under the hardcore category of player you are instantly dismissing the opinions of others who may fall under the casual category and not getting enjoyment out of the capacity points system.

o, and btw. i have hardly any JP myself. why? cuz i spend my time making REMs. i don't complain about it. i get them when i can. if they are that big of a deal to people, they can go focus on getting them.

[Tidis]

o, and btw. i have hardly any JP myself. why? cuz i spend my time making REMs. i don't complain about it. i get them when i can. if they are that big of a deal to people, they can go focus on getting them.

Isn't that more proof that the system currently doesn't work? Casual players have limited time and don't want to spend it grinding job points, while more hardcore players would rather do other activities deemed more productive than farm job points.

[Protey]

Isn't that more proof that the system currently doesn't work? Casual players have limited time and don't want to spend it grinding job points, while more hardcore players would rather do other activities deemed more productive than farm job points.

no it doesn't prove that the system currently doesn't work. they are in no way necessary to play the game. they are "nice to have". just because something exists doesn't mean you are entitled to it. if you want it, work for it.

[Malithar]

Isn't that more proof that the system currently doesn't work? Casual players have limited time and don't want to spend it grinding job points, while more hardcore players would rather do other activities deemed more productive than farm job points.

Depending on the JSE capes you're after, I'd argue Incursion (the best JP activity besides grinding them in Dho/Woh) is a very productive activity. RNG is annoying, sure, but some of the capes are pretty powerful for a single slot. Incursion also has the side benefit of having a cape that can give an additional +10-50% CPs.

As for grinding them out, high tier BCs are still in demand for either their gear or their tales. Make it a point to merit back to cap in Dho/Woh/Incursion rather than Aby or VW.

[Tidis]

Depending on the JSE capes you're after, I'd argue Incursion (the best JP activity besides grinding them in Dho/Woh) is a very productive activity. RNG is annoying, sure, but some of the capes are pretty powerful for a single slot. Incursion also has the side benefit of having a cape that can give an additional +10-50% CPs.

As for grinding them out, high tier BCs are still in demand for either their gear or their tales. Make it a point to merit back to cap in Dho/Woh/Incursion rather than Aby or VW.

As of yesterday I started getting exp in Dho gates with a WHM and trust NPCs, used Joachim + Ulmia for songs and Koru-Moru for Haste II, Refresh II, was hoping he'd use distract but after eating sushi I suppose his AI decided that my accuracy vs the mobs evasion (Jagils in this case) was too large to bother so the WHM just did distract and dia 2 on every mob. I was on PLD, probably not the best merit/jp farming job but that's what I wanted job points on, I got about 120k exp/hr and 16k cp/hr without rings.

Got a couple job points out of it but was kinda slow, still I'd rather get job points than mindlessly burn in Abyssea which bores me to no end. I do wonder if I should have gone /dnc and dual wielded swords though, rather than /war sword + shield.

[Malithar]

Snag a DD friend as a 6th and do the mentioned /Dnc bit and you'll be rocking them pretty good. Those pugils and crabs only have about 14-15kish HP. Did something similar earlier today actually, though it was Sam, Drk, Geo, Ulmia, Joachim, and Koru. I didn't keep an accurate tally, but with a 50% CP cape, 2x charges of Capacity Ring and about 70ish minutes of grinding, I pulled in 4 JPs.

[Tidis]

It would certainly be nice to have one of those incursion capes, never actually done incursion so for now I'll have to go with normal capacity point gain.

[Mxsx]

PLD+Dagger + Marj + pull everything = win.

Dual swords /laugh.