General complaint thread

[Selindrile]

ok here we go again... you are forgetting about relic feet: 5/5 merits = 25%, add feet, that's another 25%. so you're looking at 7.5 minutes. I put about 8 with a question mark because I knew it was somewhere around there. Sometimes I wonder if you play BLU as much as you say you do. Or maybe you just don't play it properly/gimped. You say I have a pattern of over exaggerating. where? that's right, I don't. I also question the things you say because you lumped a BLU in the PLD party. And you seem to think PLD needs haste. All events that a PLD is brought to is because there are RNGs. Decoy Shot says hi. Any other fights you don't bring PLDs because it is a waste. Sure, giving the PLD haste will benefit, but it's not as big of a deal as you make it out to be. Maybe you play with a group of people in a non-standard way where you put BLUs in with PLDs, more power to you. The rest of us don't.

The reason I say those things about BLU is I've seen 2 BLUs in delve keep an NM terrorized for almost the entire duration of its life. I've seen a BLU be able to heavy gravity a ton of mobs and kite them in pinch situations or just spam that spell and kill them all at once. I've seen BLU erasega and fully heal the party as if it was a WHM. I've seen BLU with like 3000 defense (though I think he might have had a minne or two), my PLD doesn't come even close to that. I've seen mythic BLU with unlimited MP. I've seen BLU outparsing MNKs. The list goes on.

You state RDM is seen as a support job. This is your own bias. RDM is a jack-of-all trades; whether it be DD, support, tank, healer... I've done them all.

As to your comment regarding how I fared against that MNK, keep in mind that I am not anywhere near the average RDM. I have put massive amounts of time and effort into it and have pretty much the best gear in all aspects. You also need to keep in mind that the SAMs were doing over double the damage of the MNK. Now SAMs are waaaaaay OP.

1.) Diffusion Flutter - 7:14, a big issue is that Blu cannot reapply to anyone other than themself if a slow or dispel happens, Rdms Haste2 lasts an extremely long time as well, pretty sure it's over 4:30 minutes on other people with cape augment and aby+2 gear and composure, and can reapply it, and it's like 13+ minutes on self.

2.) While I agree, no idea why you'd put a Blu in the Pld party, hasting Pld can be extremely nice, depending on what you're doing, primarily for Flash and Reprisal timers, but admittedly it's non-crucial.

3.) I've seen one Rdm keep many a NM stunned for the entire duration of it's life, even without chainspell at times, the number of relevant mobs that Blu can keep locked down is FAR more limited.

4.) Rdm can "Magic Cleave" anything Blu can, just as easily, probably moreso because of elemental nuke diversity, and could also Gravity-ga as well, though there's not many times that's really called for, for Rdm or Blu.

5.) Erasega is a fair point, but there are plenty of things Rdm has going for it that Blu doesn't as well. Phalanx (light years better than Blu's phalanx replacement in 99% of situations where you'd use it) Being able to keep up Haste2 on others, Flurry 2, Refresh 2 (fair point on Blu Mythic, thing is ridiculous, but very few people actually have one) AoE Nuke diversity as opposed to only having Subduction for a good Cleave option, wind onry annoys me more often than you might think. Terror works on VERY FEW mobs, Stun works on most, and with 12s recast (8s with march2), you get a lot of invites as a stunner.

6.) Pretty sure 3000 Defense isn't remotely maintainable, perhaps with Harden Shell up, I know on Pld/Blu I maintain 2400~ish DEF when supertanking the AA, this is with Double Minne (one march for Reprisal recast), Cocoon, Food, and capped PDT/Shadow Mantle not to mention PDT obviously generally being generally less important than PDT to cap, 3000 was probably making some tradeoffs, and I'm absolutely certain if Pld got an AoE'd Harden Shell, they'll get higher Defense than Blu anyday, due to gear availability.

7.) I've seen X job outparse Y job a million times, we're talking about generalizations, you don't usually see Blus outparse Mnks, possible, but in most situations, with similar gear and skill and randomization, the Mnk will win, but anyone can win situationally.

8.) I've done every role on multiple jobs, including both Rdm and Blu, when we call Rdm a support, we're saying that's the way the community generally views them, hardly a personal bias.

It boils down to the fact that if Blu's were so "OP" why are they generally far less desirable than Rdm? I can't stress that enough. You can certainly bring them to events, but they're rarely the most popular or the optimal choice. Rdm is used far more frequently, and that speaks volumes as to their overall ability.

That said, I'm not lamenting Blu's place in the world much, I consider them (as viewed by the community) the fourth most desired (able to join events) job that takes up a "DD slot", after Sam, Mnk, and Rng (though admittedly Rng only for some events).

Rdm takes a different slot than Blu would, and there are less people competing for the "support slot"s generally than the "DD slot", that alone makes them generally more desirable. Though in terms of overall "support role" desirability, they're generally behind Brd and Whm, but after that Rdm/Cor/Geo/Sch desirability varies wildly from event to event.

--All this said, I'm not opposed to Rdm getting buffed, especially in the melee department, it's sad that even soloing, they're generally better off spamming T1 nukes than actually meleeing, and meleeing is supposed to be one of their abilities. I'm just opposed to calling Blu "OP", when there are far worthier targets to receive that title (Sam, Brd, Mnk), and even them, I'd generally rather see other jobs buffed than them nerfed.

Edit: As to Pld, Had 2700 Defense at the start of the fight with 2hr Bard songs just now and 2 Minne I think, but, after Brd 2hr wore I think I was pretty much 2250 for the rest of the fight, also songs fluctuated some.