General complaint thread

[Dale]

I mentioned RUN because we were talking about replacements for melee RDM, and RUN takes all of RDMs best melee capabilities (Enspells, Phalanx, Stoneskin, elemental resistance and barspells, even Fast Cast) and adds on an A+ rank in a DD weapon. So if you want to play RDM melee, RUN was specifically designed for you.

Yeah I just threw GEO in there for no real reason, but you could argue that GEO overshadows RDM support/nuking capabilities.

Mostly I don't play BLU out of personal preference, I don't like it's style and the monstrosity of it. I do like RDMs style of a spell wielding noble fencer, and I would like to see that style come through in the gameplay.

Yes but your issue with Red Mage seems to be a lack in melee damage. RUN is defensive by nature where as BLU is offensive by nature and very skilled with one-handed swords. So it would be the perfect fit for the style of play you are looking for. Because Red mage is not a high damage melee job. They are better described as a jack of all trades as one poster said and I feel that is an apt description.

So instead of asking for the developers to change the job to suit your own personal style and turn them into offensive swordsmen, wouldn't it be better to just play one of the jobs that actually do already give you the style of play you are looking for?

I'll admit Blue Mage is intimidating to level but I if you want to be a fighter/mage that does high damage it really is the way to go and would pay off big in the end for you. Because you are likely never to be satisfied as a Red Mage given your orientation toward being offensive with a sword.

Also, this game has enough damage dealing classes already. It doesn't need another in my opinion and I would hate to see Red Mage go down that path.

[Dale]

I agree with demonjustin's request to raise RDM shield skill to C-. It's not a ridiculous request, it won't break anything. It will only allow us to have a somewhat decent rate of blocking on fodder mobs (except Woh gates... those guys are too high level). On NMs we still won't block anything.

It's kind of shameful that a whm has higher shield skill than we do.

I agree. A C- won't hurt anything. Though I don't really see a need for it. But I got no beef with giving us a C-. As long as they remain far behind Paladin.

[Zekander]

I really don't want RDM to be a melee DD either, I too think even 80% of a high end DD would be too much. An A- in sword would no where near accomplish that. What I do want is for the general public to accept RDM melee as an acceptable option under certain circumstances, and I feel that an A- combat skill would help in that regard. You all agree that RDM can already melee competently, but unfortunately the vast majority of FFXI players do not believe so.

[Dale]

I really don't want RDM to be a melee DD either, I too think even 80% of a high end DD would be too much. An A- in sword would no where near accomplish that. What I do want is for the general public to accept RDM melee as an acceptable option under certain circumstances, and I feel that an A- combat skill would help in that regard. You all agree that RDM can already melee competently, but unfortunately the vast majority of FFXI players do not believe so.

I think your real problem Zek is you hang out with the wrong crowd. And giving a Red Mage an A- or even an A+ isn't going to make these players you are talking about any more accepting of a Red mage who melees.

I've been in groups where a player was berating all the damage dealers that wasn't a monk and telling them to go level a monk else they are a waste of melee. Some people are just like that. And to try and appease these types of players would be an endless and unsuccessful chore SE need not embark on.

Bottom line is Red Mage can melee, no matter what these other players you are referring to think.

[Protey]

I think your real problem Zek is you hang out with the wrong crowd. And giving a Red Mage an A- or even an A+ isn't going to make these players you are talking about any more accepting of a Red mage who melees.

I've been in groups where a player was berating all the damage dealers that wasn't a monk and telling them to go level a monk else they are a waste of melee. Some people are just like that. And to try and appease these types of players would be an endless and unsuccessful chore SE need not embark on.

Bottom line is Red Mage can melee, no matter what these other players you are referring to think.

Yes, currently the trend is: if you aren't SAM, you suck. ; ;

[Zekander]

/sigh

So apparently Red Mage is perfect in every way, it's just the world that's flawed...

[Demonjustin]

I'm not bad, everyone else is just a lot better than me.

[Shirai]

I think your real problem Zek is you hang out with the wrong crowd. And giving a Red Mage an A- or even an A+ isn't going to make these players you are talking about any more accepting of a Red mage who melees.

I've been in groups where a player was berating all the damage dealers that wasn't a monk and telling them to go level a monk else they are a waste of melee. Some people are just like that. And to try and appease these types of players would be an endless and unsuccessful chore SE need not embark on.

Bottom line is Red Mage can melee, no matter what these other players you are referring to think.

If all the melee are hasted, the rangers and corsairs have flurry, the mages have refresh and the mobs we're fighting is crippled to oblivion, you have my permission to melee.
But if even one person is left without a necesarry buff for even 5 seconds, we're not even going to have the talk.

If meleeing is anywhere but the last place on your priorities list you have no right to claim a spot in group content.

[Dale]

/sigh

So apparently Red Mage is perfect in every way, it's just the world that's flawed...

Bit of an exaggeration there Zek. I melee all the time on my Red Mage. No one has ever laughed at me for it or told me I shouldn't be. And believe it or not, we're part of this world too. So it's not the world that's flawed. Just the players you hang with. Not everyone is like that. And I would seriously consider looking into finding new players to group with.

And you are putting words in my mouth. I never said Red Mage is perfect in every way. What I did say was they can melee just fine. Which they can.

[Dale]

If all the melee are hasted, the rangers and corsairs have flurry, the mages have refresh and the mobs we're fighting is crippled to oblivion, you have my permission to melee.
But if even one person is left without a necesarry buff for even 5 seconds, we're not even going to have the talk.

If meleeing is anywhere but the last place on your priorities list you have no right to claim a spot in group content.

Just for the record Shirai, but I don't need your permission to do anything on my Red Mage.

Bottom line is if you don't like how someone plays then don't play with them. Simple as that. But players should never make the mistake of thinking they somehow have a right to dictate how other people should be playing just because they don't agree with it.