General complaint thread

[Selindrile]

To answer your statements:

winds of promyvion (erasega) - other jobs have to either use stratagems or be a mythic whm

Must be within melee range unlike using strategems, whm empy+2 hat also gives 10% chance of AoEing without mythic, and of course divine seal also, however, Winds is quite nice.

barrier tusk - allows them to go 15% past the PDT cap.... hmmm where have i heard that before, o PLD and RUN mythics

Barrier tusk doesn't break PDT cap, didn't last long enough to be useful before this patch, I haven't set in years, though they're increasing duration the duration this patch, doubt it'll be enough to fit it into my spells.

Subduction - gives aoe potent gravity, recast of 5 seconds, and does quite a bit of damage... RDM gravity 2 is single target, recast of 75 seconds, and does no damage

Subduction is useful only for cleaving, I don't set it for endgame content, Gravity 2 isn't terribly useful either, with the evasion component removed for most content, rarely useful in incursion, but not really.

Occultation - gives shadows based on blu skill... up to what, 10 shadows?
Occultation costs a whopping 138 MP, unless you have a tizona or are in abyssea, you're not using this spell effectively.

Cocoon - 50% defense boost. nearest anything comes to this is defender from WAR
Good spell admittedly, subbable, and I do occasionally Pld/Blu when supertanking, hardly end-all-beat-all.

Stun with very low recast time. - Doesn't work on NMs, useful for trash.
Incredibly long lasting terror. - 5 Minute recast, doesn't last long on most NMs, but a few are susceptible.
AoE Sleep. - Useful, but don't usually find room to put this in endgame sets.
AoE Haste 2 - Not much of a place for it, situationally useful but in both delve and incursion you get haste wiped on quite a few mobs, and Blu can't reapply, Rdms then have to, but it's a nice self buff.

The limitation is the crux of the argument, Blu can't be a reasonably effective DD without devoting the vast majority of their 70 set points (which few Blus have, though I do have all 70) to DDing. Utility is nice, but generally it's not enough to get an invite.

This is the heart of the matter is, do you see shouts for Blu? The last time I did was VW era, and that was because of procs.
If Blu was OP it would be one of the core jobs that is actually be shouted for, actively invited and used for content. It's one of the many middle-accepted jobs that people will allow you to go if they know you don't suck at it, much like War or Drk.

I'm not saying Rdm couldn't stand some buffs in some areas, but Blu comes short of Rdm in endgame desirability overall, hands down, being OP is more than just raw damage, but at the end of the day, if people don't desire the job, it's clearly not OP, because people desire OP jobs.

[Protey]

To answer your statements:

winds of promyvion (erasega) - other jobs have to either use stratagems or be a mythic whm

Must be within melee range unlike using strategems, whm empy+2 hat also gives 10% chance of AoEing without mythic, and of course divine seal also, however, Winds is quite nice.

barrier tusk - allows them to go 15% past the PDT cap.... hmmm where have i heard that before, o PLD and RUN mythics

Barrier tusk doesn't break PDT cap, didn't last long enough to be useful before this patch, I haven't set in years, though they're increasing duration the duration this patch, doubt it'll be enough to fit it into my spells.

Subduction - gives aoe potent gravity, recast of 5 seconds, and does quite a bit of damage... RDM gravity 2 is single target, recast of 75 seconds, and does no damage

Subduction is useful only for cleaving, I don't set it for endgame content, Gravity 2 isn't terribly useful either, with the evasion component removed for most content, rarely useful in incursion, but not really.

Occultation - gives shadows based on blu skill... up to what, 10 shadows?
Occultation costs a whopping 138 MP, unless you have a tizona or are in abyssea, you're not using this spell effectively.

Cocoon - 50% defense boost. nearest anything comes to this is defender from WAR
Good spell admittedly, subbable, and I do occasionally Pld/Blu when supertanking, hardly end-all-beat-all.

Stun with very low recast time. - Doesn't work on NMs, useful for trash.
Incredibly long lasting terror. - 5 Minute recast, doesn't last long on most NMs, but a few are susceptible.
AoE Sleep. - Useful, but don't usually find room to put this in endgame sets.
AoE Haste 2 - Not much of a place for it, situationally useful but in both delve and incursion you get haste wiped on quite a few mobs, and Blu can't reapply, Rdms then have to, but it's a nice self buff.

The limitation is the crux of the argument, Blu can't be a reasonably effective DD without devoting the vast majority of their 70 set points (which few Blus have, though I do have all 70) to DDing. Utility is nice, but generally it's not enough to get an invite.

This is the heart of the matter is, do you see shouts for Blu? The last time I did was VW era, and that was because of procs.
If Blu was OP it would be one of the core jobs that is actually be shouted for, actively invited and used for content. It's one of the many middle-accepted jobs that people will allow you to go if they know you don't suck at it, much like War or Drk.

I'm not saying Rdm couldn't stand some buffs in some areas, but Blu comes short of Rdm in endgame desirability overall, hands down, being OP is more than just raw damage, but at the end of the day, if people don't desire the job, it's clearly not OP, because people desire OP jobs.

I've never seen a BLU not in range to cast winds of promy.
Barrier tusk is a 15% reduction on top of 50% PDT cap. for a total of 65% reduction.
subduction is good for kiting a ton of mobs at once.
occultation: sorry used to playing with a BLU that has tizona and limitless MP.

I keep on seeing this argument about shouts for BLU. I do everything with my LS or solo rather than PUG... cuz PUG suck. The people who shout are usually gimps who don't even know much about the game, can't get a LS, but want to do things and so don't even recognize the utility of BLU. Any time I take a risk and join a PUG I am always mortified at how bad people are and the event almost always ends in failure. That's why I don't see shouts for BLU vs RDM as a viable argument.

[Selindrile]

I've never seen a BLU not in range to cast winds of promy.
Barrier tusk is a 15% reduction on top of 50% PDT cap. for a total of 65% reduction.
subduction is good for kiting a ton of mobs at once.
occultation: sorry used to playing with a BLU that has tizona and limitless MP.

I keep on seeing this argument about shouts for BLU. I do everything with my LS or solo rather than PUG... cuz PUG suck. The people who shout are usually gimps who don't even know much about the game, can't get a LS, but want to do things and so don't even recognize the utility of BLU. Any time I take a risk and join a PUG I am always mortified at how bad people are and the event almost always ends in failure. That's why I don't see shouts for BLU vs RDM as a viable argument.

Yes blu is in range, but point was, when hit with disables Blu may or may not be able to cast winds of promy to remove whatever, just pointing out a limitation.

I was under the impression, perhaps mistaken that Barrier Tusk didn't bypass PDT cap will have to look again to see if it does.

I'm envious of the Tizona, but that's not the case for most of us.

I'm also in a LS, but I never get to come Blu to anything though it's my best geared job, I always have to come Rdm ironically (for Incursion/Delve), or Whm, or Sam for anything else.

I PUG difficults and Incursion frequently, there are plenty of bads out there, but there's plenty of successful events too... shouts are just an indicator of overall demand, which is completely a valid argument.