General complaint thread

[Dale]

I really don't want RDM to be a melee DD either, I too think even 80% of a high end DD would be too much. An A- in sword would no where near accomplish that. What I do want is for the general public to accept RDM melee as an acceptable option under certain circumstances, and I feel that an A- combat skill would help in that regard. You all agree that RDM can already melee competently, but unfortunately the vast majority of FFXI players do not believe so.

I think your real problem Zek is you hang out with the wrong crowd. And giving a Red Mage an A- or even an A+ isn't going to make these players you are talking about any more accepting of a Red mage who melees.

I've been in groups where a player was berating all the damage dealers that wasn't a monk and telling them to go level a monk else they are a waste of melee. Some people are just like that. And to try and appease these types of players would be an endless and unsuccessful chore SE need not embark on.

Bottom line is Red Mage can melee, no matter what these other players you are referring to think.

[Protey]

I think your real problem Zek is you hang out with the wrong crowd. And giving a Red Mage an A- or even an A+ isn't going to make these players you are talking about any more accepting of a Red mage who melees.

I've been in groups where a player was berating all the damage dealers that wasn't a monk and telling them to go level a monk else they are a waste of melee. Some people are just like that. And to try and appease these types of players would be an endless and unsuccessful chore SE need not embark on.

Bottom line is Red Mage can melee, no matter what these other players you are referring to think.

Yes, currently the trend is: if you aren't SAM, you suck. ; ;

[Dale]

Yes, currently the trend is: if you aren't SAM, you suck. ; ;

Unfortunately it's just a sad fact of MMORPGs that elitist players like this exist. I find the best thing to do is just ignore them and don't bother with the trends they try to stir up. Because any player who starts trying to appease the opinions of people like that are going to have a very miserable game experience.

[Protey]

Unfortunately it's just a sad fact of MMORPGs that elitist players like this exist. I find the best thing to do is just ignore them and don't bother with the trends they try to stir up. Because any player who starts trying to appease the opinions of people like that are going to have a very miserable game experience.

I agree. If you can complete the content with a slightly less powerful DD, who cares? You still completed the content.

[Shirai]

I think your real problem Zek is you hang out with the wrong crowd. And giving a Red Mage an A- or even an A+ isn't going to make these players you are talking about any more accepting of a Red mage who melees.

I've been in groups where a player was berating all the damage dealers that wasn't a monk and telling them to go level a monk else they are a waste of melee. Some people are just like that. And to try and appease these types of players would be an endless and unsuccessful chore SE need not embark on.

Bottom line is Red Mage can melee, no matter what these other players you are referring to think.

If all the melee are hasted, the rangers and corsairs have flurry, the mages have refresh and the mobs we're fighting is crippled to oblivion, you have my permission to melee.
But if even one person is left without a necesarry buff for even 5 seconds, we're not even going to have the talk.

If meleeing is anywhere but the last place on your priorities list you have no right to claim a spot in group content.

[Dale]

If all the melee are hasted, the rangers and corsairs have flurry, the mages have refresh and the mobs we're fighting is crippled to oblivion, you have my permission to melee.
But if even one person is left without a necesarry buff for even 5 seconds, we're not even going to have the talk.

If meleeing is anywhere but the last place on your priorities list you have no right to claim a spot in group content.

Just for the record Shirai, but I don't need your permission to do anything on my Red Mage.

Bottom line is if you don't like how someone plays then don't play with them. Simple as that. But players should never make the mistake of thinking they somehow have a right to dictate how other people should be playing just because they don't agree with it.

[Zekander]

/sigh

So apparently Red Mage is perfect in every way, it's just the world that's flawed...

[Dale]

/sigh

So apparently Red Mage is perfect in every way, it's just the world that's flawed...

Bit of an exaggeration there Zek. I melee all the time on my Red Mage. No one has ever laughed at me for it or told me I shouldn't be. And believe it or not, we're part of this world too. So it's not the world that's flawed. Just the players you hang with. Not everyone is like that. And I would seriously consider looking into finding new players to group with.

And you are putting words in my mouth. I never said Red Mage is perfect in every way. What I did say was they can melee just fine. Which they can.

[Demonjustin]

I'm not bad, everyone else is just a lot better than me.

[Dale]

I'm not bad, everyone else is just a lot better than me.

Yes other jobs are better than you at melee damage. But they also can't heal/enhance/nuke/enfeeble as effectively either. You have to pay a price for your broad range of abilities, else the class would be too powerful.