[Dev1235] Job Adjustments

[Malithar]

Please, lets not lump players that make dumb choices (single handed weapon & shield war) to players that play jobs that SE has given the shaft to. They are two different things.

No doubt, wasn't what I meant by that. Was more eluding to how he feels that people will only run with the absolute most efficient setups. Doesn't mean you'll be able to get into pugs on those jobs, but running with a dedicated group that understands how to gear and play those jobs to their best puts you in a situation where you're plenty capable of completing a good deal of content, without anyone carrying anyone.

[Tidis]

Swapping to a shield isn't even good for a temporary defence boost, it's so minimal it's not worth it, on the other hand, you lose all your TP, you don't have a GA equipped anymore so you're doing poor damage.

Fact is you'll probably be /SAM or /NIN, if you really look like you're getting killed, Seigan + Third Eye or try to get shadows up while rocking PDT, that should be plenty, swapping to a shield is never a good option.

[Tidis]

People get annoyed at things that may seem trivial, I love PLD, if I see a poorly geared PLD I may get annoyed, I don't cuss them out, I may tell my LS something like "Wow this PLD is wearing some stupid stuff" without name dropping or anything because that would be unfair.

Likewise, recently I got annoyed at a poorly geared THF with a D Ring, that manly stems from my horrible luck at getting one myself and seeing someone who I would deem as geared poorly, having one ahead of me.

People are well within their right to get annoyed at another player, in the common example here, the WAR using a shield, just don't be a douche about it.

[Dale]

People get annoyed at things that may seem trivial, I love PLD, if I see a poorly geared PLD I may get annoyed, I don't cuss them out, I may tell my LS something like "Wow this PLD is wearing some stupid stuff" without name dropping or anything because that would be unfair.

Likewise, recently I got annoyed at a poorly geared THF with a D Ring, that manly stems from my horrible luck at getting one myself and seeing someone who I would deem as geared poorly, having one ahead of me.

People are well within their right to get annoyed at another player, in the common example here, the WAR using a shield, just don't be a douche about it.

If you are saying an individual has a legal right to get annoyed at someone else just because they play differently than they think they should or have gear they don't find acceptable then yes, I guess technically you are right. But I also have a legal right to think it's a stupid reason to get annoyed at someone else over. So I'm not sure what your point is.

[Afania]

So now the trolling word is coming into play. Yep. I think this conversation is about done

I don't understand how you can appreciate someone assisting you while at the same time seeing them as punishing you. That seems to be a contradiction in terms. But w/e. I already said I'm glad you are now saying you appreciate less-than-perfect assistance. So why don't we end it at that as I tried to do earlier? I'm content with that.

And rather a warrior using a shield is a bad idea or good idea isn't my issue. My issue is allowing it to cause you to become annoyed at that person. That's what I have a problem with. Rather you think it's human nature or not doesn't really matter to me. I still have a problem with it.

FYI I didn't actually accuse you for trolling, I only pointed out that it could be what you're trying to do. If you're not trolling, then you're not.

I think Seillan already stated my POV toward "feeling annoyed", so there's no need to continue anymore. You can't control other's emotion. You think it's "silly" to feel annoyed at a shield WAR, I also think it's silly to have problem with someone else when you see them annoyed. I don't really give a damn if someone's annoyed/angry/happy/have emotion in a video game, human has emotion all the time, it's too tiring to care about every single individual's emotion. So I really don't understand why'd you have problem with some strangers on the internet feel annoyed.

If you have problem just because someone else feel annoyed to a point that you have to write 10 pages of post fighting against it, then you'd have problem with someone else very often then, lol. Wouldn't that make your life full of unhappiness since you view everything "wrong" if it doesn't go the way you want? lol.

[Catmato]

So how 'bout them Job Adjustments?

[Seillan]

<Small voice>

I've got Defender job points level 6, and 5/5 defender merits lol. I like my War having the option to go defensive for survival, and I guess that includes shields. But obviously no War is going to a serious zerg event with Defender up and a shield equipped. Its just a useful situational boost and option.

Hey Stompa, I hate to ask about this here where it's totally off-topic and random, but since this site doesn't seem to have a PM function (unless I missed it) I was wondering what the community on your server was like? I've been playing quite a bit on Asura but I haven't really noticed many social/family-style linkshells around during my time there. I was looking for something more laid back and more accepting of all jobs, rather than just a handful of them (Ha, that's "kind of" on topic.) I figure that kind of thing might be easier to find on a somewhat smaller server?

Anyway, I was just curious of your opinions on the server, generally.

[Afania]

Hey Stompa, I hate to ask about this here where it's totally off-topic and random, but since this site doesn't seem to have a PM function (unless I missed it) I was wondering what the community on your server was like? I've been playing quite a bit on Asura but I haven't really noticed many social/family-style linkshells around during my time there. I was looking for something more laid back and more accepting of all jobs, rather than just a handful of them (Ha, that's "kind of" on topic.) I figure that kind of thing might be easier to find on a somewhat smaller server?

Anyway, I was just curious of your opinions on the server, generally.

If you're looking for a social LS, why don't you use FFXIAH forum? It has a PM function and you can just post a thread on the server forum if you're looking for a LS like this.

I used to have a LS like that on Rag, but it broke after FFXIV release, idk many social LS anymore.