[Dev1235] Job Adjustments

[Camiie]

But it is the case as I see it. I have a friend who plays a beastmaster and he holds his own just fine when we group. He even uses his pet from time to time as I pointed out to off-tank for us, which comes in handy.

Your anecdote is not the reality that the rest of us face. Your friends are not the norm. Just because things are fine for your friend that does not mean things are fine. The rest of have to play in a far more competitive and results driven environment than you do. I don't mean that to be insulting, I'm just pointing out the stark reality the rest of us face.

When did it become so important to do as much damage as possible?

When the DPS/DD class was invented.

As long as you win the fight that's what matters. Who cares if another job can do more damage. If you're having fun while winning that is by far more important.

Unfortunately you're in the vast minority with that line of thinking. But honestly what would be so bad if it were both? What if I could have fun playing the job of my choice AND do the same amount of damage as another job? Why does it have to be either or? That's my question. Why can't a BST and her pet be just as strong as a WAR or SAM or MNK? What would be the harm in that?

[Mitruya]

Unfortunately you're in the vast minority with that line of thinking. But honestly what would be so bad if it were both? What if I could have fun playing the job of my choice AND do the same amount of damage as another job? Why does it have to be either or? That's my question. Why can't a BST and her pet be just as strong as a WAR or SAM or MNK? What would be the harm in that?

I wanted to hit the like button repeatedly for this paragraph.

[Dale]

Your anecdote is not the reality that the rest of us face. Your friends are not the norm. Just because things are fine for your friend that does not mean things are fine. The rest of have to play in a far more competitive and results driven environment than you do. I don't mean that to be insulting, I'm just pointing out the stark reality the rest of us face.



When the DPS/DD class was invented.



Unfortunately you're in the vast minority with that line of thinking. But honestly what would be so bad if it were both? What if I could have fun playing the job of my choice AND do the same amount of damage as another job? Why does it have to be either or? That's my question. Why can't a BST and her pet be just as strong as a WAR or SAM or MNK? What would be the harm in that?

It's only the reality because people allow it to be though. You can get results on this game without having to play the strongest DPS jobs.

But to answer your question - it wouldn't be no harm. I see no problem with a beastmaster along with their pet being able to match a warrior in terms of damage. But the fact is it doesn't really matter even if they did. People would still find a reason to exclude certain jobs. Even if they were to make every single DD job do the exact same damage they would still come up with some bs reason to exclude certain jobs. That's the part of my argument that is being missed here.

Players who are actively looking for an excuse to exclude other players are going to find one. Damage output is just an excuse they use. So if SE starts down that road of trying to appease players like that it will ruin this game. I am 100% confident of that because I've seen it happen on so many others games.

In other words: SE can't fix this problem. No amount of job balance will ever fix this problem. I've seen other games try - with a constant state of nerfing and buffing over a period of many years and still I read the exact same thing from these types of players how this job sucks because of this and that and this job is over-powered because of this and that. It's just never-ending and there is no solution except not to pay these types of players any mind.