[Dev1235] Job Adjustments

[Sephiran]

Longtime player so pardon my cynicism but this sounds like it will be something that'll have very little effect for endgame content since it's built around not having haste? That would be quite sad, since you can cap haste with Trusts these days...

If you are using Trust, you aren't soloing. You are using Trust.

[Selindrile]

If you are using Trust, you aren't soloing. You are using Trust.

I think most people would disagree with you, you could make the argument that trust is "not solo" but by that logic you could say that Beastmasters, Pups and Smns aren't soloing unless they don't have a pet out, by and large when people refer to soloing in this game, they mean, "one player character", and some go further as to call dual boxing and the like soloing because it's controlled by one person, but very few go the other way, and classify trusts or other NPC characters as not solo.

At the end of the day, the meaning of solo in FFXI is up for discussion, but I doubt too many would use it in the way you just did.

[Selindrile]

Since you can't use trusts in certain BC/instances, solo isn't the same as using a trust IMO.

You can only charm monsters in certain BCs, you can't bring outside buffs into some but can in others, I'm not sure that factors such as this should really be the deciding factor over whether we consider trust "solo" or not, honestly the biggest argument I can think of against calling it solo would be the fact they show up in the party list. But if that were the deciding factor, Adventuring NPCs would count as Solo, but trust wouldn't, so not sure that's a valid argument either.

A player with a pet out is still soloing.

Calling pets is a Job Ability or a spell.

If we say that a Blm or Monk using job abilities / spells is soloing, then it is ok to say that for pet jobs too.

I agree, and calling trusts is a spell! I'm glad we're on the same page here!

[Afania]

You can only charm monsters in certain BCs, you can't bring outside buffs into some but can in others, I'm not sure that factors such as this should really be the deciding factor over whether we consider trust "solo" or not, honestly the biggest argument I can think of against calling it solo would be the fact they show up in the party list. But if that were the deciding factor, Adventuring NPCs would count as Solo, but trust wouldn't, so not sure that's a valid argument either.



I agree, and calling trusts is a spell! I'm glad we're on the same page here!

What I meant was, if you try to solo BC/instance, you won't have haste buffs. You can get buffs from outside, but then it's not the same as solo...you need a friend/mule to buff you outside.

The entire argument was about "DPS increase is useless cuz we have haste all the time, even solo", but that's not entirely true if you solo BC/instance. Unless you have a friend/mule to buff you before enter, you can't get haste buffs solo in BC/instances.

I don't really care about the true definition of solo, the point was whether there's a situation that you'd use 1h weapons without haste buff or not.

[Selindrile]

I don't really care about the true definition of solo, the point was whether there's a situation that you'd use 1h weapons without haste buff or not.

Whereas I only chimed in to talk about the definition of solo and the meaning. I agree there are few situations you'd use 1h weapons without a haste buff, Dyna and Salvage come to mind as Thf, I do these without haste buffs always.

[Sephiran]

You can only charm monsters in certain BCs, you can't bring outside buffs into some but can in others, I'm not sure that factors such as this should really be the deciding factor over whether we consider trust "solo" or not, honestly the biggest argument I can think of against calling it solo would be the fact they show up in the party list. But if that were the deciding factor, Adventuring NPCs would count as Solo, but trust wouldn't, so not sure that's a valid argument either.



I agree, and calling trusts is a spell! I'm glad we're on the same page here!

Here's my definition: You are soloing when you are controlling a single character and calling forth NPC's only allowable by virtue of your job with NPC's that the game forces you to fight alongside, when applicable. Trust magic is not derived directly from one's job and thus is not soloing in my opinion.

That's just my take on it though. You're free to disagree with me.

[Afania]

I think most people would disagree with you, you could make the argument that trust is "not solo" but by that logic you could say that Beastmasters, Pups and Smns aren't soloing unless they don't have a pet out, by and large when people refer to soloing in this game, they mean, "one player character", and some go further as to call dual boxing and the like soloing because it's controlled by one person, but very few go the other way, and classify trusts or other NPC characters as not solo.

At the end of the day, the meaning of solo in FFXI is up for discussion, but I doubt too many would use it in the way you just did.

Since you can't use trusts in certain BC/instances, solo isn't the same as using a trust IMO.